I’m shocked it wasn’t already available. These have been a great sub for meat when I was trying to shift more toward a vegan diet. Really made the first weeks/months easier!
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Not sure why it wasn't. Beyond meat have been approved for a while and afaik they are pretty similar. Maybe I should read the article
Edit: it's the fake muscle juice thing. I thought beyond had that too
I want impossible (or beyond) chorizo.
I don't understand how vegan chorizo is not more common. Its such an obvious choice. Its not like actual chorizo tastes like meat.
Have you tried the soy chorizo from Trader Joe's?
I am not even sure I have ever been into a Trader Joe’s, I think there is one in the city. I have had soy’rizo and I picked up another brand from the freezer but keep forgetting to cook it. The soy rizo was okay, but tasted more soy than rizo.
While waiting for it, the air went out of the fake-meat balloon.
To be clear, I do not think this is a good thing.
Addendum: This information is completely relevant. Downvoting inconvenient facts does not make them go away.
How is that not just a techbro problem?
Not sure I understand. My point was that fake meats were seen as a great stealth solution. If only the meat was completely realistic, meat lovers would switch to it. Like smoking and electronic cigarettes, basically. No, it was never a solution that would please purist vegans. But personally I just want people to eat less meat, even tech bros if possible. So I was hopeful.
And it turns out it's not enough. Both Impossible and Beyond are tasty and pretty damn realistic, I have tried them. But the revolution did not happen. The cost differential and dropped and doesn't fully explain it. The psychological resistance is just tougher than expected.
Solely going off their burger patties (haven't tried other stuff) I wouldn't call beyond realistic, though it is very tasty (imo moreso than actual beef). It definitely doesn't taste the same though.
I think there's also a cultural issue, some people at least here in germany still consider it weird if you order the vegan/vegetarian version of anything, especially if you aren't entirely vegan yourself. If that sort of pressure exists it's also less likely for anyone to try plant based alternatives, no matter how good.
Agreed on both points. I also found the Beyond burger extremely tasty, sort of too good to be real. The Impossible burger was more realistic but less tasty!
Of course you're right about the social pressure. And it's a crazy situation, given the ecological disaster that beef is. Personally I quite enjoy performatively ordering the vegan burger (I am not fully vegan) and making others squirm when they go for the beef version. I like to insist loudly that this is just my personal choice, that they should get whatever they want, no judgement. And that's true, sort of. Not gonna win any converts by browbeating people. But humans are social animals. Someone has to show the way.
My point was that fake meats were seen as a great stealth solution. If only the meat was completely realistic, meat lovers would switch to it
Ask any vegetarian and they’ll tell you it’s absolutely delusional to believe that.
And yet venture investors put a ton of money onto the bet. Mistaken, maybe. "Absolutely delusional" - that's hyperbole.
Since apparently you think this is all a waste of time, what's your solution for getting people off meat?
Price hikes to reflect the true environmental cost of „production” and all of the humane treatment overwatch which as of now doesnt fucking exist.
Veganism is not really a technology issue, it is a philosophy of minimising suffering.
Veganism does not rely on trapping carnists, it relies on convincing carnists.
Burger patty taste does not excuse genetically modifying and killing a sentient being. If vegan burger patties taste 70-90% as good as carnists burger patties, that's more than enough to live with.
Of course, improving taste can be good, but veganism is not a substitute.
Refusing veganism because vegan burger patties do not taste good enough is cognitive dissonance, ~~burger patty~~ taste is not an argument for carnism.
That's all fine and I basically agree. But I think you need to be aware that you're essentially talking to yourself. In your view, taste comes second or third among your priorities. Again, I somewhat agree. But this is just not the way most people see things. If we want to convince them, we have to acknowledge that fact. And you say explicitly that you do want to convince them.
I told dbzer0 I wouldn't disrupt vegan spaces when he gave me an account. with that said, I hope we can continue this cordially. if at any point you want me to stop, please say so.
taste is not an argument for carnism.
frankly, it is. aesthetic pleasure is one of the great reasons for living. surely, it is part of the self actualization of Maslow's hierarchy.
since carnism is so pervasive in society, we must accept that the pleasures associated with it are commonplace. to deny someone a common aesthetic experience in the name of ending carnism needs to be sold. simply saying "it's not an argument" is, ironically, not an argument.
I bet those cows wanted some parts of Maslow's needs as well.
Why is your self-actualisation more important than a cow's existence?
Taste is not argument for carnism because it isn't just to compare taste to right to exist.
I don't personally believe in rights as an external phenomenon. I believe they are a human fiction
with all due respect, we have no evidence of a cow's need for self actualization. we can't even point to evidence of self awareness.