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I'm still quite lost when it comes to the fediverse. I created an account on the main instance, however as I understood more how it works, it seems like certain instances that interest me are "defederated" from this instance, and vice versa. So now I want to move my account to be able to see those instances, however I want to keep my follows and my posts I have on this instance. Is that possible? I read that fediverse is resistant to censorship in this regard, so there must be something I'm missing here.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well, you can't. But you can transfere all your settings/subscribes/blocks etc.

Go to your account settings and hit "export" and save the file.

Make a new account on another instance

Go to that account's settings and import the file from your old account.

[–] FrostyDog 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you! That explains a little. Follow up question: If the new instance has defederated or "blocked" some community that I am following on this instance, will I still be able to follow them if I import the saved file?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

If it has defederated from an instance you will no be able to see any posts from this instance‘s community

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not sure instance hopping is available yet, but you can always just sign up for the instance you want. However, Lemmy.world is not the "main" instance, Lemmy.ml is. Lemmy.world is the largest instance, which can cause confusion, but it definitely takes an active stance against Marxists and even Anarchists, which is why it is defederated from some of the major leftist instances.

Which instance are you trying to join? Which defederated ones from Lemmy.world do you want to see?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As far as we’re concerned there is no “main” instance, we don’t want there to be one, and we explicitly state that lemmy.ml is not that. What is lemmy.ml?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for that, didn't know! I was unaware that there was an official stance on the matter, though even nutomic makes the point that it's easy to conflate "flagship instance" with "main instance."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The core Lemmy devs admin this instance and use it as a guinea pig for new software releases, but otherwise it’s not special.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] FrostyDog 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it was lemmy.dbzer0 (?) something along those lines. However when I use the tool to see defederated instances this one doesn't show up, however I can't find it when I search for it either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can see lemmy.dbzer0 from Lemmy.world I believe.

[–] FrostyDog 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All I get when I search that instance is Mullvad VPN. Can an admins also block specific communities within an allowed instance?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

They can block specific communities.

Previously there was this whole thing over lemmy world admins banning their piracy community so I would not be surprised if they were blocking certain dbzero communities as well out of their extremely cautious and risk averse nature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

They can, yes, but I am not sure if that's your issue.

Either way, joining dbzer0 should fix your problem.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Like others have said you really can’t move, just make a new account

I’ve been on lemm.ee this whole time and I like it. I definitely recommend it if defederation is an issue for you since sunasaurus stance on defederation is it is the big red button and users should have the choice of making a blocklist (unless it’s stuff like illegal content thats defederated). You can even keep your username if it’s not taken on that instance and the beauty of the fediverse is you can move instances and create account as many times as you want

As for having a main instance. No such thing. This picture really helped me understand how federation works as the email anology people use didn’t really help me.

Anyways lemmy.world is just another instance, it just happens to the be the biggest. Lemmy.world ,.ee, .ml, whatever lemmy instance you can think of are completely independent. Think of them as separate websites if that helps. But due to the fediverse protocol they can all share content back and forth, it really is crazy when you think about it

But let me grab our welcome to lemm.ee to post if you wanna see if we’re a good fit for you, if not, happy instance hunting

Edit: Here’s the Welcome to lemm.ee post

[–] FrostyDog 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Lemm.ee definitely looks interesting, however when I tried to sign up I just got some message that "Toastify is awesome". I'm assuming it's some sarcasm? Because when I refreshed the page all I got is error 503.

I'll give it another shot tomorrow. Thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Lemm.ee had some scheduled downtime a few hours ago when it was upgrading to the latest Lemmy software version. You might have ran into that when you attempted to sign up

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Unless I’m misreading your comment I was able to pull up the Sign in page just fine. Or are you getting the error after you put in your credentials

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  1. There's no "main" instance, lemmy.world is the largest one, though
  2. You can check who have defederated with lemmy.world (or any other instance) here
  3. As to your main question: You can't move an account, ActivityPub (and Lemmy) don't have such a feature. There are tools that can migrate your community subscriptions from one account to another (quick search shows for example this), but there's no way to transfer posts/comments. The best you can do is add a link to your bio saying your previous account is @[email protected], at the same time, on your old account you can put a notice that the account is no longer used and people can find you on the new one.
[–] FrostyDog 1 points 2 weeks ago

I see, thank you for the explanation. That does make it a little more convoluted than I had hoped. But I suppose it's either that or host an instance myself.

Anyway, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Jumping in to ask a question too, is there a way to see what instances are de-federated from?

Also if I don't want to see furry stuff in my time line etc i bloke the community not the instance right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

aussie.zone/instances
lemmy.world/instances
myinstan.ce/instances

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You can block instances, communities, and users.

Defederation means those instances are blocked by default for all users of the instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but as for levels

User is me or you

Community is like a subreddit ?

And an instance is Lemmy.world right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have moved a couple times. No need to get attached to something that is temporary.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

You can export your subscriptions in the settings, not your posts though.