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When will LW be updated to something newer than 0.19.3? (join-lemmy.org)

submitted 2 days ago by woelkchen to c/support

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[–] Serinus 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When it's ready, because the admins do more detailed research than just "bigger number better".

[–] woelkchen 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And when is it ready? Why is there no communication why it's not?

[–] Serinus 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's literally communication in these comments that point to older communication on the same.

You're being combative about it.

[–] woelkchen 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There should have been a pinned announcement post. Why isn't this happening?

[–] MrKaplan 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We will be posting an announcement explaining the current plans and issues in the coming days.

[–] woelkchen 1 points 1 day ago

Great, thanks

[–] Rooki 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Hi,

~~on Fedihosting / LW we focus on stability and we target a version that has at least 2 versions released before we upgrade. We do this to catch all the bugs that gets noticed and patched.~~

~~We will discuss this with the team if we see any upgrades possible to pinpoint, but this will take some time as we have some custom patches for some of our cases.~~

Thanks

Edit: Refer to https://lemmy.world/comment/13529650 for better explaination.

[+] woelkchen -6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

on Fedihosting / LW we focus on stability and we target a version that has at least 2 versions released before we upgrade.

0.19.7 is the 8th version already, so...

We do this to catch all the bugs that gets noticed and patched.

LW is currently still violating privacy laws because users cannot delete uploaded media.

[–] MrKaplan 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

your calculations seem to be off.

0.19.7 is only 4 versions ahead of 0.19.3, not 8.

there were significant issues with 0.19.4, which resulted in 0.19.5. there are still some issues that are important for us, although they may not be as important for smaller instances, that were an issue in 0.19.5.

0.19.6 was released 10 days ago and already had a followup release 0.19.7 to fix some new issues that were introduced in 0.19.6. there are still pending issues like https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5208, so i imagine it might not take too long for a 0.19.8 release.

we're aiming to provide a stable experience and also try to avoid regressions resulting in reducing moderator capabilities.

most of the issues we saw reported for versions above 0.19.3 however have been fixed in the newer versions since, so there aren't as many issues remaining that would prevent an upgrade to 0.19.8 or a 0.19.7 with extra patches, but at this time 0.19.7 hasn't seen widespread use yet, which tends to be what brings up more bug reports if there are new issues.

LW is currently still violating privacy laws because users cannot delete uploaded media.

this statement is ridiculous. while you cannot currently delete them yourself, this is in no way violating any laws. if people want to have their uploaded media deleted they can just raise a support ticket or send a message to @[email protected] and we'll take care of it.

if there are any laws stating that this is required to be possible as self-service i'd love to see references for that, because for all i know this is not the case.

[+] woelkchen -6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

there were significant issues with 0.19.4

I don't know. There's severe lack of communication regarding such things.

there are still some issues that are important for us

Such as? There's no communication here of what's going on.

0.19.6 was released 10 days ago and already had a followup release 0.19.7 to fix some new issues that were introduced in 0.19.6.

No software is ever free of bugs, especially not one starting with a zero version number.

if there are any laws stating that this is required to be possible as self-service i’d love to see references for that, because for all i know this is not the case.

Privacy laws here in Germany and probably the rest of the EU say that ther must be no avoidable delay in the deletion request of user data. 0.19.5 and newer have that feature, therefore by choosing not to update there has to be an avoidable delay.

That said, there is no communication of news and roadmaps. Maybe on proprietary Discord but not here.

[–] MrKaplan 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

some of the issues introduced in 0.19.4 or 0.19.5 include

No software is ever free of bugs, especially not one starting with a zero version number.

nobody is talking about it being free of bugs, but we try to go for versions that at least don't have any major bugs.

ther must be no avoidable delay in the deletion request of user data

is there a definition for "no avoidable delay" as interpreted by courts? your definition and mine clearly don't overlap here.

That said, there is no communication of news and roadmaps. Maybe on proprietary Discord but not here.

there is no additional information about roadmaps on discord.

https://lemmy.world/post/20234434 is one of the places this was discussed previously.

we currently don't have any announcements about this. afaik we've only been doing these for when we actually plan to do something with an actual estimated timeline, but i agree that it would be good to have this information more accessible by having a post in our announcement community rather than just comments on posts in other communities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not to mention being able to delete ones posts in app by oneself is not the user data deletion in the common GDPR speak. There it means all data in an organization which can be linked to me, and I have a right to request companies to delete this data, and they have to do so in a timely matter. That is not a requirement for all companies to allow users of them to do it themselves, which depending on the companies data structure would be ridiculous (e.g. imagine every company suddenly having to setup an user account system just so users can delete their data by themselves :D)