Community critical of US Empire's thirst for endless war, its military and oil oligarchies and colonization of allies.
Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire.
Bullshit. Obama worked towards reigning in the evil empire part of America.
But the mainstream media (Fox News is mainstream. Get used to it.) lied and reported endlessly on drone strikes despite those drone strikes causing fewer casualties than any President after Carter.
No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama. Nobody wanted to hear the critiques and it stayed that way until trump round one when all the libs pretended to care again.
He ran on ending the wars and then went forward with NATO Invading Libya and turning it into an open air slave market. Assassination of a us teenager as part of his drone expansion where funerals, hospitals, and weddings were bombed regularly. The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.
How about reviving the espionage act to imprison whistleblowers?? He prosecuted people who leaked that the government used waterboarding and did Gitmo ever close?
Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump. He expanded ICE law enforcement powers, increased border security budget and built the cages. He failed to get any positive reform to stick so the end result was more enforcement.
Fuck off with that tan suit washing nonsense honestly. Obama did continue the status quo and put a pretty face on it. Trump does show you what this country truly is. 100%
No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it.
That statement isn't backed by any data.
"On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones ("Areas Outside of Active Hostilities"), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report.[27][28] However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be "areas of active hostilities," thus exempting them from disclosure."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes
https://www.ranker.com/list/the-twelve-worst-us-presidents-based-on-body-counts/dralcarroll
https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Obama made it public. Bush and Trump hid it.
Obama also classified all 'military aged' males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.
Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.
We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.
I didn't claim Obama didn't kill anyone. I do claim, supported by links, that he killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Trump.
You claimed he was worse than Bush which is not supported by any data.
I see, my claim was actually that he deported more than bush and trump. Not killed more people in war. Not that he was worse than bush, just not different. Obama turned out to be more of the same evil empire.
I did also claim that instead of ending the wars in the middle east via the NATO overthrow of Libya and Syria, and that the drone casualities are under reported.
No. You made many claims only one of which was about deportation.
The one cool thing about digital communication is you can just scroll up and reread the original lol
Can you not see what you wrote?
You wrote a paragraph on anti war
You wrote a paragraph on Libya
You wrote a paragraph on deportation
You wrote follow up replies about young boys classified as terrorists for kill reports.
Now you claim you were only writing about deportation.
???
If you had an actual point you would just quote him.
He said this:
No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama.
Obama killed less Bush i provided links already
Then he said this:
The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.
He killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump. I already provided links.
Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump.
I didn't argue that.
He was disingenuous to claim he was only talking about deportation only after his drone strike argument was proven to be wrong.
Embarrassing. None of that is what you said that he said.
I referenced the quote and you asked for a direct quote. I gave you a direct quote and now you say he didn't say that.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13368170
He said more than just deportation.
I feel this is mostly true, and I say that because people champion Biden as pro LGBT yet I, as a member of LGBT, specifically remember a younger Biden on the news saying gay marriage was settled law and nobody should be worried about or believe in it; That marriage was between a man and a woman and that's how the US population wanted it. It didn't make me feel great back then.
That being said... I still don't like what Trump says out loud, and I hope our country makes it through another 4 years of it...