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The only thing I like about Trump: he gives the game away. He says the quiet parts out loud. just come right out and tell everyone he's bought and owned by Zionist oligarchs (x.com)

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The only thing I like about Trump is exactly what so many empire managers hate about him: he gives the game away. He says the quiet parts out loud. He's the only president who'll openly boast that US troops are in Syria taking the oil or lament that they failed to take the oil from Venezuela, or just come right out and tell everyone he's bought and owned by Zionist oligarchs.

Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire. Trump puts a very ugly face on a very ugly thing. He is a much more honest face to have on the empire. A crude, stupid plutocrat who is owned by other plutocrats is the perfect representative of that tyrannical power structure.

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[–] Seasm0ke 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Obama also classified all 'military aged' males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.

Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.

We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.

[–] Blue_Morpho 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I didn't claim Obama didn't kill anyone. I do claim, supported by links, that he killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Trump.

You claimed he was worse than Bush which is not supported by any data.

[–] Seasm0ke 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I see, my claim was actually that he deported more than bush and trump. Not killed more people in war. Not that he was worse than bush, just not different. Obama turned out to be more of the same evil empire.

I did also claim that instead of ending the wars in the middle east via the NATO overthrow of Libya and Syria, and that the drone casualities are under reported.

[–] Blue_Morpho -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No. You made many claims only one of which was about deportation.

[–] Seasm0ke 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The one cool thing about digital communication is you can just scroll up and reread the original lol

[–] Blue_Morpho -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you not see what you wrote?

You wrote a paragraph on anti war

You wrote a paragraph on Libya

You wrote a paragraph on deportation

You wrote follow up replies about young boys classified as terrorists for kill reports.

Now you claim you were only writing about deportation.

???

[–] Pfeffy 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you had an actual point you would just quote him.

[–] Blue_Morpho 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He said this:

No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama.

Obama killed less Bush i provided links already

Then he said this:

The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.

He killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump. I already provided links.

Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump.

I didn't argue that.

He was disingenuous to claim he was only talking about deportation only after his drone strike argument was proven to be wrong.

[–] Pfeffy 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Embarrassing. None of that is what you said that he said.

[–] Blue_Morpho 1 points 1 month ago

I referenced the quote and you asked for a direct quote. I gave you a direct quote and now you say he didn't say that.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13368170

He said more than just deportation.