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Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation, though some fear it could embolden Israeli actions.

Trump’s support for Israel’s far-right policies, including the potential dismantling of the UN agency Unrwa and backing of Israeli settlements, could deepen economic hardship and escalate violence against Palestinians.

While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation

Surely they meant "likely"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 minutes ago

though some fear it could embolden Israeli actions.

That last part of the sentence gives context that tells me they didn't make a typo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

This is most probably what will happen. Things will worsen but people will realize more of the double standard and the hard realities suffered by the Palestinians.

On the bright sight, public opinions on genocidal Israel will hardened and this will shape more restrictive and drastic international policies on Israel in the future. When that time comes, even Israel's most powerful allies have to carefully manoeuvre in order to help them.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

But at least Democrats were taught a lesson right libs? Right??

.... Right?

[–] zerog_bandit 27 points 5 hours ago
[–] hemmes 2 points 2 hours ago

We’ll trade votes with non-swing state constituents!

Fucking morons

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The DNC and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory: Name a more iconic duo.

[–] FlyingSquid 33 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

The DNC didn't make anyone see a man who promised to be a dictator, who quoted Hitler, who said immigrants were poisoning the blood of our country, who promised 1500% tariffs, who chose Vance as a running mate and who shows very clear signs of significant cognitive decline and say, "I'm not going to stop that guy from getting into office."

There is not a single reason that an American voter can give me that would justify not voting for Harris and allowing this to happen.

I don't care how much you didn't like Harris. Trump is worse in every possible way.

But enjoy this gloating time now. You won't be gloating in four years when there's going to be a Putin-style election.

[–] orclev 1 points 1 hour ago

While everything you said is true the DNC is also equally to blame. For better or worse FPTP means we only have two parties, which means there's an onus on them to appeal to as many voters as they can (to do anything less is to guarantee their loss). The DNC for decades now has followed a policy of appealing not to the general public, but to a wealthy subset in order to maximize their own ~~bribes~~ campaign contributions. That has seen a steady rightward shift of their economic (and to a lesser extent social) policies. This rightward shift naturally alienates a large block of those that would otherwise support them. After all if you're a supporter of right wing policies you would already be a Republican, thus if you aren't it's because you're looking for left wing policies. Something the Democrats increasingly do not have.

There are three possible outcomes for each potential voter. You can vote Republican. You can vote Democrat. Or you can not vote (or vote 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way). Because voting isn't mandatory, the default state is not voting. Republicans have spent the last couple decades erecting roadblocks to voting, passing ID laws, closing polling places to increase lines, encouraging their followers to harass voters, purging voter rolls at the last minute, etc.

All that means that it takes actual effort to go out and vote. For an increasingly exhausted public, that is struggling just to survive day to day, that might have to take a precious day off from work to stand in an uncomfortable line for hours at a time while being menaced by unhinged MAGA, they need a strong encouragement to put up with all that.

From a purely logical standpoint the threat posed by Trump and MAGA should be sufficient motivation. But people are not always or even often logical. Republicans have spent decades fine tuning their propaganda. They've weaponized AM radio, and talking head "news" shows like Hannity, to convince their voters that Democrats are perpetually moments away from rounding them all up and having them executed. That's the reason Republicans always show up to vote, no matter how onerous the process becomes.

Democrats in contrast have been hesitant to call a spade a spade. They should have been blaring the threat posed by Trump from day one of his campaign in the most explicit language possible. Every opportunity should have been taken to replay highlights of every unhinged statement Trump made to highlight exactly how dangerous he was. Instead they use euphemisms, saying things like "extremists" rather than terrorists, or "Insurrection" instead of attempted coup.

Added to all of that is dissatisfaction with Democrats policies right when they needed to be doing everything they could to convince people that if they just got off their asses and voted things would significantly improve for them.

So yes, this is very much a failure of Democrats. The party failed not just themselves but the American public. Unfortunately now everyone pays the price for that, not just the apathetic voters that sat out, but even those of us that did the sane logical thing and voted for the lesser evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

All very true.

I do think it's worth mentioning that the "lesser evil" politics that she ran on has never worked for anyone, not even once? She aligned herself with several popular conservatives positions (deportation, stronger border policy, continued financial and armaments support to Israel). But conservatives had no reason to vote for her over Trump. This swath of voters who wanted what she offered does not exist. The ones who want those things want other things too, things that Trump offers them.

So her best position was being the lesser of two evils, being better than Trump but still not a progressive candidate. That political angle failed the DNC in 2016, and it failed them again. This is entirely the failure of the DNC to be a progressive party. They chose neoliberal conservatism to the bitter end and threw us all under the bus with it.

The number of leftists and muslisms who didn't vote for Harris on principal is far lower than any amount that would have saved her. She resoundingly lost this election in every possible way. Blaming people who didn't vote for her on principal is ridiculously misunderstanding what happened here. The majority of America is okay with bigotry. The majority is fine with violence against women and minorities. Either that or they have constructed conspiracies that Trump hasn't actually said or done those things. Either way, they are unbothered by the things he has said and done.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The is the correct energy, and exactly the correct thing to say. Thanks for saying it. Now I can type this shorter message instead!

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 5 hours ago

You're welcome. The numbness is wearing off and the anger is setting in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

being angry at voters who didn't vote the way you wanted them to isn't going to actually achieve anything, though

harris didn't even win the popular vote. it wasn't even a particularly close election. you can't not blame the dnc after a defeat like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

If you're voting on lunch and the choices are between an anchovy pizza and a shit sandwich, and your coworkers choose the shit sandwich, do you blame the people who told you to vote for the anchovy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

I can and I will. If voters are ok with fascism, fuck them. And if women are ok with being considered objects to own, fuck them too. This "I didn't feel energised to go vote" bullshit is just bullshit to avoid take responsibility. You had a choice: fascism or not. You chose fascism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

In a democracy, the correct approach is to hold the majority accountable for their leader's actions, especially when the leader is doing exactly what they said they would do. Non voters are also complicit by standing by silently, so I'm not opposed to holding them accountable too.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

What do you think is achievable at this point? America is going to turn into a fascist dictatorship and lots of voters did not give enough of a shit to stop it.

You want to tell me being angry at voters achieves nothing? Neither does blaming the DNC. American democracy is over.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand why you believe the DNC is deserving of some measure of protection from criticism.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand why you think that's what I believe. Criticize it all you want. It won't change a thing. The DNC is a non-factor from now on because there will be no more actual elections.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

I think I better explained my response in my other comment.

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[–] small44 -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Even if all third party voters voted to Harris she would still lose. So the hell are you talking about? What I don't understand is how American can still vote to the same goddamn two parties

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn't vote at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago) (1 children)

You can't just assume everyone who didn't vote is a leftist or did it for Palestine. That's kinda crazy, and you have no proof of that. You're just assuming that so you have an excuse to get mad at people who don't deserve it instead of your precious DNC. More realistically, they're just non-political people who don't do research, didn't care, and weren't charged enough to go vote by the Dems message and rhetoric, and did they probably have a short as hell memory because they weren't scared enough of Trump (maybe because he was a known quantity or something). Those people googling if Biden dropped out the night of the election or had no idea RFK dropped out? They're probably more like them.

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[–] maplebar 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Ah the DNC, the classic boogieman of the geniuses who decide not to vote when a criminal who loves Hitler is running for office after already having tried overturning democracy once. Yes it's the DNC's fault you couldn't be bothered to lift a fucking pen against fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No no, I was told repeatedly that Trump would be no worse than Harris. Clearly the Palestinians on the ground are wrong somehow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I too trust Russian Bots over real people /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I can see how it can't get much worse but it can go on for far longer than it otherwise would. Tell me again what the us recognizes as the capital of israel?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

It can (and will) absolutely get far far worse in the West Bank.

[–] small44 2 points 4 hours ago

I hate those type of article talking to 4 or 5 person than generalize it to the whole population. Palestinians are not a monolotic entity with only one opinion

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