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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Most likely the DNC would have sabotaged him like Labour sabotaged Jeremy Corvin

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah that's the subtext of the headline. Or should be if it isn't the author's intent. This shouldn't be understood as an endorsement of social liberalism, but as a denunciation of the system as a way of obtaining good outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 hours ago

Yes but then the DNC would not be able to please their donor class. Which is far more important than winning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Bernie should be the benevolent dictator of the Democratic party.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

He should found a new party based on his moral and ethical values. First, take over Vermont government, after that let's see. He's the only politician I know whou could pull this one in the American scene. He's already independent and representing much more than Vermont.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We already have like 5 more. Why wouldn't he join greens or communists or peace and freedom or another?

[–] RubicTopaz 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't get it. He seems to understand the dems will never be a working-class party. Why's he still in there instead of an actual socialist org like the PSL or FRSO?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

Fear for his life, probably. He seems to be popular enough to give those parties a momentum that would make him a target of both the capitalist parties.

Black Panther party members — including its leader — were killed by the FBI. A genuine threat to capitalist rule will naturally have to face these threats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

If one of those aligns with his political views, maybe. That doesn't mean he will be allowed to steer that particular political party; and I think that's why.

[–] MutilationWave 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm down, but he's just so old. With his only heir apparent being AOC. People don't like her nearly as much despite basically identical policy proposals. I wonder why?

I've said this before but at this point I think our only hope is the destruction of the Republican party so Democrats are the new conservatives. This way a progressive party could arise.

Or get rid of first past the post voting and the electoral college. But that seems harder somehow.

Or, honestly, this is the end and there is no hope left.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 53 minutes ago

This is why he should do it now. It's his ideas the ones founding the party, not him. This is still one right moment, the Democrats are in crisis and the people opposed to Trump feel strayed. Meanwhile, the Republican party is raving on their victory, but we all know Trump will fuck it up as soon as he is in charge the next year, leaving people disenchanted.

[–] RubicTopaz 49 points 11 hours ago

The most relevant paragraph imo

Bernie’s coalition was filled with the exact type of voters who are now flocking to Donald Trump: Working class voters of all races, young people, and, critically, the much-derided bros. The top contributors to Bernie’s campaign often held jobs at places like Amazon and Walmart. The unions loved him. And— never forget — he earned the coveted Joe Rogan endorsement that Trump also received the day before the election this year. It turns out, the Bernie-to-Trump pipeline is real! While that has always been used as an epithet to smear Bernie and his movement, with the implication that social democracy is just a cover for or gateway drug to right wing authoritarianism, the truth is that this pipeline speaks to the power and appeal of Bernie’s vision as an effective antidote to Trumpism. When these voters had a choice between Trump and Bernie, they chose Bernie. For many of them now that the choice is between Trump and the dried out husk of neoliberalism, they’re going Trump.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (10 children)

He's right. In a declining capitalist state like the current US, workers want change. In the absence of a genuine working class party that correctly blames capitalism and the capitalist class for a revolution, you get a "radical" capitalist-funded party that at least points the blame at someone — marginalized people.

The dems only offer to preserve the status quo, and no one fucking wants the status quo.

Get organized. Liberal democracies in the imperial core historically always slide to fascism.

[–] RubicTopaz 11 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

It's worth noting that "fascism" specifically is a eurocentric — or even more specifically a 20th century-centric — ideology. You could argue the US has always been "fascist", just that the fascism has been focused on people outside it — the countries it constantly wages wars on. Still a good way to describe the direction declining capitalist states are headed to, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

Fascism is Capitalism in decay, the violent immune system employed by the Capitalist class. A great work on fascism is Blackshirts and Reds. I can provide a longer Marxism intro reading list if you'd like, but Blackshirts is a great start.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You could argue the US has always been “fascist”, just that the fascism has been focused on people outside it

Hitler was inspired on how to treat the Jews, Romani, disabled, and queers, based on how we treated Native Americans and Black Americans. He saw the country doing so well in the world stage excluding millions from the same status and privilege as the normalized default, and thought it would work for Germany and Europe, by force.

America was founded by rich white oligarchs, it was never going to support anything good without a lot of people letting go unless they died.

EDIT: Sorry if you get double pinged, server had a hiccup as I was posting.

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