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Summary: Canadian police dismantled the largest drug “super lab” in the country, seizing a record amount of fentanyl, methamphetamine, and firearms. The operation was linked to organized crime and had been mass-producing and distributing drugs across Canada and internationally.

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[–] francisfordpoopola 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wait.... So they fly this stuff all the way from Canadia to Mexico and then have the Guatemalans sneak across our open borders into Texas to kill kids? Ohhhhhh. Now I got it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean, one of the benafits for fentanyl specifically from the perspective of drug dealers is that it's a synthetic. With heroin or cocaine or something you have to have space to grow the plants or a source for the plants and those can only grow easily at certain latitudes, etc. So you're limited by the supply chain. With synthetics you can set up a lab anywhere relatively easily, like in Canada for example

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It’s also significantly more potent making smuggling that much more efficient. Orders of magnitude more doses per unit mass.

[–] M137 4 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For fun, watch the movie "The French Connection."

Besides still being a great film with plenty of action and suspense, you get to marvel at the fact that, at one time, the police seizing 60 pounds of heroin was headline news around the world.

[–] Badeendje 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Economies of scale. Once the cartels figured out it's just a numbers game, a lot of the "smuggling" turned into " just send 10 full containers of the stuff, if 9 get seized we still win". Production is cheap.

[–] Dasus 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And they're not catching even a tenth, much less 90%.

[–] Badeendje 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yup.. this is something where heavy automation could play a role. Scan 100 pct of containers and have software look for contraband. Then signal people to take action.

[–] Dasus 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That wouldn't help. The software would have to know what to look for, and the scanner would need to see something.

One method used for instance is infusing drugs into other materials, like tents. Then just shipping said tents. Scan the packets, you just see tents. Drogs (drug dogs brainfart but im leaving it lol) won't smell it, and quicktests won't reveal it, because of the altered composition.

There is literally no way of shutting down the drug trade.

"Signal people to take action"

You seem to underestimate how many people use illegal drugs, I think, and you still believe that it's just about proper policing and we can "get rid of drugs". Never gonna happen. Pretty much all drug laws need to be completely rehauled for progress.

[–] Badeendje 1 points 3 months ago

Oh I fully realize that the war on drugs needs to be a healthcare "war" and not a law enforcement war.

People to take action referred to customs agents.

In the mean time I am for cannabis legalisation, and xtc too probably. Opioids and other drugs should get much better treatment options. By giving people options that are not very harmfull and allow them to scratch their itch, they are less likely to opt for very harmfull substances and less likely to opt for stuff that is illegal. And should they become addicted to harmfull stuff we should help them get off it, or provide it safely (like the Dutch heroin program).

[–] Dasus 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All drugs have be legalised to put them under regulation and take the markets away from the cartels.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

54 kg of fentanyl is an insane amount to have all in one place.

Just to put it in perspective:

  • Assuming the lethal dose (LD50) of fentanyl in humans is similar to in mice (probably a good assumption), it is 7 mg / kg of body weight by injection. Assuming an average body weight of 70 kg, 54 kg is enough to kill 110,204 people.
  • Apparently for opiate tolerant people (e.g. addicts), the therapeutic dose for strong pain relief is 12 μg / h, so in a month, an addict wanting to stay dosed up the whole time might use 8.64 mg total. 54 kg is enough to supply 6.25 million addicts for a month.
  • According to a UNODC estime, in 2023, there were about 60.3 million opioid (including opiate) users worldwide, including prescription drug users. So that one stockpile could supply 1/10th of the world's opioid users for a month. It almost certainly isn't for supplying prescription drug users, and many opioid addicts likely try to avoid fentanyl, and there are other competing sources - so 1/10th is a lot.

I'm not sure why they'd stockpile so much in one place, given they apparently have the capacity to manufacture more - unless they were planning to use it to kill people (see: they also had a weapons cache and explosives) instead of to sell as a drug. Or perhaps the 54 kg is an exaggeration and includes packaging and so on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Or perhaps the 54 kg is an exaggeration and includes packaging and so on.

Bet $20 the 54 kg includes the weight of the cutting agents in stuff that was already cut to ~heroin strength

[–] Harvey656 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Noooo! Not my Fent! That's the good stuff! /s

[–] Agent641 2 points 3 months ago

Guess I'm boofing bath salts for the foreseeable future!

[–] Hobbes_Dent 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For my BC peeps - Falkland. And Surrey… but Falkland.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Looks like the weed bust got them trying new things...

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