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[–] owenfromcanada 57 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I got everything except the Joja one.

I'm calling it 100%.

[–] aeronmelon 28 points 3 months ago

“Professionals have standards!”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can you explain this to a non stardew valley player?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Joja is a generic mega corp and the achievement is to sell out to them instead of fixing the community center with magic

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which I think requires a second playthrough since it's the opposite of another achievement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Oh, that sucks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why they put achievements for joja 😥😥

[–] owenfromcanada 3 points 3 months ago

It's a test.

[–] aeronmelon 18 points 3 months ago

Grandpa is smiling down on you.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

They deserve a medal! 🥇

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I saw what they wanted and declined the offer. Such a grind to 100% that game.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They meaning the guy who make the game and posted that he finally completed it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Do Devs decide achievements? Honest question.

[–] finitebanjo 20 points 3 months ago

They have to because the achievements are triggered by ingame events and actions meaning the trigger is coded and therefor any action resulting in achievment creation is by definition part of development.

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes.

although in some cases with a publisher they could also be involved in determining requirements such as minimum number, etc.

[+] [email protected] -23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I always figured it was something steam shoves down devs and/or players throat, since it's a bit of a dark pattern toward buying into their ecosystem.

Otherwise I would consider many many many devs deciding achievements are not their or their game's thing.

[–] Mozingo 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Dev here. We decide the achievements. We have to set them up manually for ps5, xbox and steam. The idea is to give achievement hunter types more gamplay basically. Although certain game devs use achievements as a form of analytics. When you get an achievement like "Level 2 finished" that's because the devs wanted to know how many players got that far in the game.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Are achievements basically just variables like "beat_final_boss", and you expose them somehow to steam?

[–] Mozingo 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's a little different for steam/xbox/ps, but generally there's two kinds of achievements. Trigger achievements and value achievements.

The trigger type ones are the ones that fire once, like when you beat a level or get a certain item or something. These basically have an api call like TriggerAcheivement(achievementID).

The value type ones are the ones like collect 1000 gold or kill 500 enemies. You could choose to handle this manually, and then just fire an achievement trigger, but this usually becomes complicated with multiple saves or crossplay, etc. So instead, there's an api call like IncreaseStat(statID, 1). And you call that when you kill an enemy or whatever and once it's been called 500 times, the achievement activates.

You usually set all the achievements/stats up in the steam/xbox/ps backend and then your game is just responsible for calling those api functions when appropriate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Thanks !

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I’ve always been curious about this myself.

[–] Voyajer 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Pretty much

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Are you free to ship a game with no achievements?

[–] Voyajer 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are tons of games without any ancillary steam features, the only things I don't think I have seen a game without are the forums section and community tab.

[–] Mozingo 11 points 3 months ago

On steam? Yes. Xbox and Playstation however require achievements to publish a game.

[–] vaquedoso 6 points 3 months ago

Of course they are.

[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How would that even work

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Contracts.

[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No, how would that work coding-wise? Not like steam is actively scanning what a game does.

Edit: Also you wrote steam was "shoving it down the devs' throats", but the same achievements exist on PlayStation, Xbox, I think even Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The same way you pay when you buy something. The fact that you reach for your wallet does not mean the store is mind controlling you into paying, they make it mandatory and so you comply.

Edit: to clarify, other people are saying this is not the case in Steam, but that for xbox and ps it is mandatory to ship games with achievements.

[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't understand this sentence

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ok, in my mind it went like this:

You are a game dev and want to sell my game on steam, steam allows only games with at least 4 achievements to be eligible for distribution on their platform, you think of 4 achievement that more or less make sense for your game, you ship the game with the achievements.

You wouldn't have put the achievement there in your creative vision, but you did because Steam forced you to. The code is still under your control, but not really because contract.

Yes this is hypothetical, it's already being established this is NOT how steam operates, unlike other publishing platforms. Considering MOST games ship on multiple platforms, it make sense to put achievement in there to please xbox and leave them in for steam.

[–] Sylvartas 4 points 3 months ago

Nope. IIRCs some other platforms that I can't name do require you to have achievements. But you are still pretty much free to implement them however you want

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Now let's see him speedrun the game