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Shipments of military-capable hardware expose a China-sized loophole in Western sanctions.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this is legit, there have to be real consequences for China.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ll hold my breath until it happens

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean even before the war, my business has intentionally started moving away from any manufactured parts or materials made from that part of the world for a variety of reasons (cost, quality control, and ongoing tensions).

I personally avoid any products made in that country as best as possible, and it feels good knowing that China is no longer the largest trade partner with America. I know it's impossible to entirely avoid Chinese made components currently, but I feel like things are moving in the right direction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I avoid buying stuff from China too, but every major multinational corporation relies on China for basic supply chain materials at a reasonable price allowing for profit margin; until you can convince all those entities that cutting off access to the cheapest supplier and sometimes only supplier, no sitting president is going to put real consequences on the Chinese government.

The sad truth is that we unloaded the majority of our environmental production problems to countries that were willing to take on that problem, and were willing to sign onto international patent laws. China was willing to do this, created enough educated population to do this, and had no problem with the environmental damage that it created. USA, EU, and most of the so called “developed” nations were willing to put all that onto China. China has no problems under paying and overworking their citizens, while using super lax environmental laws.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually though it seems like a lot of companies have started moving away from China for a lot of reasons. Look at this new report showing that Mexico surpasses China as the largest trade partner with the USA now, and china is on the decline:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, for a lot of end stage production. I’m talking about chemical stock production. So, all the different polymers, acids, starting hydrocarbons, basic pharmaceutical stock, pharmaceutical production, industrial chemical production, all the chemicals that go into producing microchips, etching chemicals, etc. this is where the massive environmental problems come from.

The chemical stock production is where all production starts. Most of this production was offshored to countries willing to take on that mess: China and India at the large scale, and at smaller scale are a bunch of African nations and a variety of smaller Asian countries. Russia too, and we see how well all the multinationals are honoring sanctions against Russia right now.

[–] Sludgehammer 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You know, I'm surprised that China is supporting Russia rather than taking bites out of it. I honestly expected them to either start asking/demanding territory for aid, or just flat out invading.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They hope if Russia wins the war, they can help them getting Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The article says china is sending gear to russia. It doesn't say what grade is the material.... I've seen a Ukrainian literally crush an orc's helmet with his bare hands - the gear China is sending is not high grade material.

They're sending them a bunch of low-grade parts/materials with the intention that the orcs will kill themselves in a frivolous war with Ukraine. When the time is right, they will move in and scoop up more land to call their own - and a weakened Russia will have no resources to defend against that attack.

They're playing the long-game, like they always do.

[–] MaxVoltage -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

thats because you believe the lies lol china does not conquer territory lmao historyally cultureally aint their jazz

china likes that bling bling not useless land lol

[–] lemmyshmemmy 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well that's just a straight up lie. Tibet...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

No sense in engaging with tankie talking points. China indeed has a long history of conquering and then culturally and ethnically assimilating everything into Han. Makes it a lot easier to rewrite history into saying you are just uniting your people. Same playbook on why the Uyghurs are experiencing genocide by China.

[–] MaxVoltage -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

tibet was a chinese dependency

mao went and enforced the ban on slavery

you must support slave ownership and the right to chattel men?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You mean like Uighurs?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] fluxion 3 points 1 year ago

"He is our customer's customer. We cannot ask him directly, 'Where are you from?' But I guess maybe he is from Europe — maybe Ukraine, maybe Poland, even maybe from Russia. I'm not sure.”

Did they just accidentally imply that these are being shipped to Russia through a shell company?

[–] MaxVoltage -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

just 1 army? that aint a lot. 100,000 broke ass helmets or something lol