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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

As Nina Power was mentioned before, here is an article on a Welsh 'druid'/forger which touches that subject (and Marx) a bit. People might find it an interesting read.

Anti-Woke Druids and Radical Bards - 'What links Welsh 18th century romantic Druid-Bards, gathering around a circle of pebbles in North London, and the contemporary online right?'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

NYT: "Microsoft and OpenAI’s Close Partnership Shows Signs of Fraying" (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/technology/microsoft-openai-partnership-deal.html)

Archive: https://archive.ph/Bas23

HN link from whence I got this, have not mined this for sneers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41878281

edit oh wait found one

OpenAI's revenue isn't from advertising, it should be slightly easier for them to resist the call of enshittification this early in the company history.

Can't enshittify that which is already shit

Twice in the last week I've had Claude refuse to answer questions about a specific racial separatist group (nothing about their ideology, just their name and facts about their membership) and questions about unconventional ways to assess job candidates. Both times I turned to ChatGPT and it gave me an answer immediately

Just a normal hackernews, testing if the models they use are racist

Well, at this point most new data being created is conversations with chatgpt, seeing as how stack overflow and reddit are increasingly useless, so their conversation logs are their moat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 24 minutes ago

Twice in the last week I’ve had Claude refuse to answer questions about a specific racial separatist group (nothing about their ideology, just their name and facts about their membership)

The unspecificity is damning. "Facts about their membership" might range from "what racial separatist group is Skum Shitt (R, NC) a former member of" to "am I eligible to join The Brotherhood of Untarnished Ejaculate".

and questions about unconventional ways to assess job candidates.

That's an interesting example to pair up with the one about racist hate groups. Unconventional in what way, motherfucker?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

tl;dr of the article: ever since the ousting of altman, microsoft, which virtually owns openai, has been suspicious of openai's actual worth. therefore MS has cut down on the infinite resource flow. openai employees are whining about this.

there is one additional point in three of the near final paragraphs, which I'll quote in full because they are so amusing to me

Still, OpenAI employees complain that Microsoft is not providing enough computing power, according to three people familiar with the relationship. And some have complained that if another company beat it to the creation of A.I. that matches the human brain, Microsoft will be to blame because it hasn’t given OpenAI the computing power it needs, according to two people familiar with the complaints.

Oddly, that could be the key to getting out from under its contract with Microsoft. The contract contains a clause that says that if OpenAI builds artificial general intelligence, or A.G.I. — roughly speaking, a machine that matches the power of the human brain — Microsoft loses access to OpenAI’s technologies.

The clause was meant to ensure that a company like Microsoft did not misuse this machine of the future, but today, OpenAI executives see it as a path to a better contract, according to a person familiar with the company’s negotiations. Under the terms of the contract, the OpenAI board could decide when A.G.I. has arrived.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

The first paragraph surprised me. I didn't know there still some true believers left.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I think I see a possible future here. Just as the promptfondlers are now trying to talk down human accomplishments to make the LLMs sound more impressive ('it learns just like a child!' (no, it doesn't)). As when you are trying to reach a deal on a car, you either need the buyer to raise the price, or the seller to lower theirs. This will lead to a lawsuit where they are going to drop down the theoretical capabilities of an AGI just to trigger this clause.

And as the judge thinks that emoji's are a form of novelty pasta, any potential jury can't spell stattistical, there is a 50% chance that they will be convinced it is AGI because humans like the AGI also make mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

pivot to ai now has working dark mode! all praise to the illustrious @[email protected]

i still hate dark mode, but others fucking love it so

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Awful.systems defaults to dark mode.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

like a good developer, I made my personal preference the default (and I think when we started there were major issues with switching themes?)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

This is what the BDFL model is all about.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

booooo should be my personal preference (light)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

brb banning David from the awful.systems plugin repo, modifying the login page so everyone has to swear they don’t know him, and launching a lawsuit for (throws a dart at a dartboard) uhh shoplifting, he shoplifted my website

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

YOU ~wouldn’t~

shoplift a ~WEBSITE~

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Common mistake, but David is from the UK. He was actually just looking online for ways to improve wheelchair accessibility in a multistory house. On a lift-shopping website.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Isnt he a goth? Dont think he needs more lifts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Wouldn't a goth prefer heavy mode?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

and now that damn jingle is playing in my head at early o’ clock

awful.systems: where the abyss delivers, always

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

imma fuckin do it again

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

The only reason I use dark mode is because my phone is OLED so it uses less power. Otherwise I go for light.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

our good buddy Jordan Lasker aka Cremieux aka TP0 gives a talk to Stanford libertarians

i haven't watched this but i am confident it is the most cursed fuckin thing

one hour thirty frickin eight

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

yep, i'm in touch with college hill, she's aware of our esteemed site too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Over on /r/politics, there are several users clamoring for someone to feed the 1900 page independent counsel report into an LLM, which is an interesting instance of second-order laziness.

They also seem convinced that NotebookLLM is incapable of confabulation which is hilarious and sad. Could it be sneaky advertising?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bob Dylan has responded to a Bitcoin Groyper account

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That’s amazing, I wish I had that kind of discipline to learn!

I can’t decide what’s worse: the fucking insulting tone that sounds like I’m about to get a pamphlet about Joseph Smith or GameStop or some shit, or that the suggestions just make up opinions you don’t have and events that didn’t happen

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Day 2686 of wondering how much Google can keep enshittifying everything it touches before people catch on.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I know you probably had no intention behind the number, but I just had to check. 2686 days ago was 12 June 2017. Pretty sure we’ve known about how google fumbles shit from way before then!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

That was the day when the transformer paper was released that kicked off this whole LLM shitshow. So my intention was just a little nod towards that. ;)

But yeah, the real number is probably quite a bit larger than that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

According to an interview with the ceo of signal, when she worked at google the new ai wave shit was started by a paper in 2012, the authors of which were hired by google. So they saw the writing on the wall a bit sooner. When did they remove their dont be evil thing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

somone could make a command-line utility like sdate, but for blarney engines!

what would be a good name for it, do you reckon? The first thing to pop into my head was shitdate but that's too close to the original and distro maintainers might get prissy about packages with swears in them

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

ASTx, autoplag standard time, but with tzdb entries localized as relative to each seminal paper/work

for geolocale, I suggest coordinates such as null island, and wraparound/bounding-box corners (per multiple mainstream map projection)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

this is a masterpiece

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

I see. Please forgive this philistine!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

But users like engagement! Which means seeing that the person wrote a thing and not reading the thing and making a human connection with someone who is, y'know, engaged in conversation.

I know chatbots don't track meaning, but I'm pretty sure words still mean things.

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