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According to hexbear: All americans are settlers who should settle a different country to atone for the crimes of their forefathers... (self.meanwhileongrad)

submitted 2 months ago by thann to c/[email protected]

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He called me a setter and a nazi out of the blue, and I asked him if he slanders everyone or if he has a reason for saying that about me, then he replies with this legendary quote:

If you’re Amerikan, then you live in the bowels of the single most brutal settler-colonial entity to exist in the modern era. “Settling” is not a once-and-done action; it is a constant state as long as you are on settled land.

https://lemmy.ml/post/20866301/14006932

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[–] PugJesus 38 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ethnic cleansing and ethnonationalism is okay as long as it's anti-West, clearly.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's a lot of validity to pointing out that colonization is an ongoing process. Just ask any native tribe that's lost their fight over sacred lands so some jackass oligarch can pump oil the short way.

I'm not sure "ethnically cleanse all people with European blood" is the answer.

[–] PugJesus 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There’s a lot of validity to pointing out that colonization is an ongoing process. Just ask any native tribe that’s lost their fight over sacred lands so some jackass oligarch can pump oil the short way.

I agree, it's just, you know, "White person living" isn't "continuing colonization". Shit like the Dakota Access Pipeline is continuing colonization. Seems to be the issue with a lot of tankie takes. They find an actual issue that needs to be fought, and proceed to get nearly every detail of it wrong.

[–] Cryophilia 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's because their legitimate anger gets harnessed by bad actors.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Taking illegitimate actions fucks up the legitimacy of legitimate anger. Why should anybody relinquish power if the other side can't do it any better?

That's not to say we don't need a change. But if you're poor, blaming the rich, then you'll be rich, blaming the poor later. Neither breaks the cycle.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Those people presented a problem so it was fair that they got eliminated

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[–] barsquid 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I swear I've seen that same account screeching that it is good if Donald wins because any amount of collateral damage is acceptable as long as some number of "crackers" are put up against a wall.

Just a repugnant little internet troll. An excellent example of why defederating from hexbear is the right course of action.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you find those comments you should post them over here

[–] barsquid 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you search their comments for "cracker" the rage is a decent portion of their content.

What I remember was basically like https://lemmy.ml/post/20607225/13895181 but specifically tailored to whether or not Donald is a threat we should all vote against.

Pretty delusional. Repub pogroms wouldn't be targeting the classic liberals this person despises. IDK who they expect will be doing reconstruction afterwards. Of course they're participating on instances where fragile mods protect ahistorical clownery.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

lol that's hilarious. I'm posting that one for sure

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Sooo they should go settle somewhere else? Where do they expect them to go? Or maybe they just want US to kill themselves. Hmm, maybe Hexbear isn't that well-reasoned at its heart...

It's fucking easy to virtue signal "colonialism bad". It's much harder to propose a solution that doesn't involve even more mass death of innocents. If someone doesn't have primum non nocere at the heart of their politics, they are not healing anything. They are just doing blood for blood.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well Italy, Japan and Germany all did some bad stuff in WWII so why don't we swap places.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

let's not.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, these pricks are actually hurting their own base by alienating themselves so hard.

Sucks to suck 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole settler thing is never going to resonate when you’re accusing someone whose family has been there for generations of being complicit.

[–] thann 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I understand I benefit from colonialism, but my hands are kinda tied! I It's like I don't even own property the super wealthy are the real colonisers! We mostly went from beneficiary to bystanders, to victims as well. And I call out genocide every chance I get but to the hexbear I might as well have done the atrocities myself....

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Just do the best you can with the power you have.

Nobody wants to heart this, but: All of the abuses of power on the large scale are personal issues that have continued, unresolved, into the large scale, because we haven't resolved them on the small scale.

Do your part. Process your shit. Through that, you gain the perspective to use what power you do have well, without fucking yourself or others over in the process.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I guarantee you they are also American or from a settler country. Racist too

[–] thann 7 points 2 months ago

100%

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Sometimes I wonder if it is time to return to the trees

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (7 children)

As a white American descendant of colonial settlers, they're not entirely wrong, it's just that their anger is misdirected. It should be directed at those in power rather than regular people. It's unreasonable to expect all descendants of colonial settlers to leave, but it's not unreasonable to ask them to be aware of their history and how the systems of power and control that were put in place then are still going strong today.

Given I can't see your original comment they were responding to I'll reserve judgement regarding whether what they said is reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Honestly it all is ludicrous. You absolutely should know your history but trying to hold every white person in existence liable for the actions of people who died long before we were all born is silly. You can't change the past you can only make the future. You might as well blame my dog for the suffering of the past. It accomplishes nothing. What's worse is that some people have developed a complex about the history especially if they of a race that was harmed historically.

Don't blame people alive today for mistakes and cruelty of the past. That is unfair to everyone involved.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You have to be careful not to go too far in the other direction as well. We may be blameless for atrocities that were committed by our ancestors but we do bear some responsibility to address the lasting effects of those atrocities and to oppose the continued settler-colonial project of which we are still part.

And don't take this the wrong way, responsibility does not equal guilt. Every US citizen is not guilty of invading Iraq, for example, but every US citizen does bear some responsibility to oppose the systems of power that allowed such a thing to be done in our name.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I can't say I agree but I respect your opinion

[–] Anti_Iridium 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but then people use that logic to deny that there are structural inequities that need to be fixed.

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[–] thann 8 points 2 months ago

Thanks I was making a comment much like yours where I was being compassionate towards an Israeli who was conscripted at 18 like 20 years ago and didnt want to hurt anyone and worked as a secretary, and who seems traumatized by the experience, and who is very outspoken about the Israeli genocide...

She's a victim of the machine too, and her hands are mostly tied, so I think that its unfair to say she's a bad person for being in the IDF

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[–] mhague 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Amerikan"

It's just a phase. They like the aesthetic and won't ever do anything.

[–] thann 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

dessalines be like: death to all americans is just the edgy thing kids are saying these days

[–] mhague 9 points 2 months ago

Amerikans, please, or Amerikkkans if you aren't into the whole brevity thing. The branding of the phase is important. Remember, label out when you're bashing colonialism!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You mean, kind of like how Russia is currently trying to settle in Ukraine like the colonizer they are?

Or how China is colonizing African countries right this very moment in order to steal their resources?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to demented fuckwads: All americans are settlers who should settle a different country to atone for the crimes of their forefathers...

[–] ikidd 6 points 2 months ago

I really try to understand what they think people should do. Give all the land back and walk into the ocean?

[–] WrenFeather 7 points 2 months ago

That’s about as bad as it gets. That person is unhinged!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

no no guys you are mistaken bovinepollinatingfly told me that it's a wholesome community because it's communist /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

They should go back to the lands of the first humans in east Africa, before humanity colonised anywhere.

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