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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago (2 children)

sell some loosies on a bronx street corner, get choked to death by the cops, steal 11 billion, get two years in minimum security, sure, makes sense

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She was given extreme leniency because she was the main cooperator with police. There would be no FTX case wihout her. She seemed relieved when it all got cracked open and she seemed remorseful in her interviews and testimonies. So she at least demonstrated remorse enough to convince the police and the court. Whether it's genuine remorse or alligator tears doesn't matter as much as her contribution to getting the bigger fish caught, though. Rewarding cooperators an essential piece of the justice machine.

[–] grue 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But even SBF "only" got 25 years, which is still a Hell of a lot lighter than "choked to death by the cops."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Nobody thinks that Floyd deserved to get killed, doesn't mean we need to start also killing random other people

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Republicans do

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody thinks that Floyd deserved to get killed

I know my memory is getting bad but... Really?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Everyone's memory is getting bad because the OP was talking about Eric Garner who was murdered by police for selling loose cigarettes out of a pack.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago
[–] not_that_guy05 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

2 years for helping steal $11B. Tell me again that there isn't 2 justice systems.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Firstly, fuck this person and everyone else involved.

Secondly, she was a supportive witness that likely helped to get other convictions. She might be the reason that any money is recovered.

Thirdly, if the sentence for a crime gets too high, murdering the people who can rat you out becomes the best strategy. Dead people don't take the stand. It's why certain awful crimes, like assaulting children, seem to have too light of a sentence.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

It wouldn't seem like too light of a sentence if other relatively minor crimes didn't put poor people in prison for way longer. The solution is to reduce sentences for minor, especially victimless crimes to be in line with these, not the other way around.

[–] courval 2 points 2 months ago

That third paragraph is total bullshit, did you read it properly? it's two years.. Murder in the US is most likely a life sentence..

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure you have statistics to back up your third point, and wouldn't make such an extraordinary claim without the evidence to back it up... Care to provide?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why you're being down voted, it's a fair question, and I don't have a specific study to link to.

I just have anecdotes from working with criminals, and game theory.

If something will add X% to your time in prison, but has a Y% chance of preventing you from being convicted in the first place, there are numbers where it makes sense to risk it.
Granted, it's much more likely in a single-victim sex-crime scenario than a fraud case that leaves behind kilometer-long paper trails

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I'm no expert, but I would think that you are massively oversimplifying the situation there...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She took a plea bargain. Without her as a witness, SBF probably doesn't get convicted of nearly as many charges. If you read the article, there was a distinct possibility that she wouldn't do any jail time at all. The judge was relatively harsh with the 2 year sentence in this case.

So this sentencing has essentially nothing to do with her wealth.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, people don't realize that so much of what was used to charge the others came from her. She was the CEO and is smart. She knew everything and gave it all up. This all would have had a very different outcome without her contribution. Whether it's genuine remorse or pure self-preservation doesn't matter. Her contribution was the center tent pole of it all.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago

Rawr bad person me no like bad person 5 billion years jail

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man they fucking did her dirty in the courtroom sketch. I mean look at SBF's picture. I MEAN JUST LOOK AT IT!!

[–] Agent641 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

For those that haven't seen:

"I want you to invest with me as hard as you can."

"This lettuce is too spicy for me D:"

[–] phoneymouse 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

An article about SBF's courtroom sketch...that does not include a courtroom sketch of him. Or is that dude in the sketch supposed to be him?

[–] phoneymouse 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I see multiple courtroom sketches of him in the article, but the fake one is linked on X

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Those are him?? Oy. He's not much of a looker but he doesn't look like a serial killer in real life like he does in those sketches.

And oddly enough, the sketch of Ms Ellison that she is more proud of looks much worse than the one in the article for this post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

The second of the 3 'real' sketches looks like he is wearing a human face mask over his face in true Nic Cage fashion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I mean... it's not like her sketch is too far off.... it's him they botched

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"“It was very annoying,” says Ms Rosenberg. “I had 10 minutes to do that and nobody saw the last ones that I did were much better.” Jane Rosenberg was much happier with this sketch of Caroline Ellison which attracted far less attention than one she had 10 minutes to draw.

[–] feedum_sneedson 2 points 2 months ago

It's a very good likeness, I don't know what the problem is.

[–] Philharmonic3 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Use it to eliminate student loans

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It's being seized to repay the people they defrauded, but also yes, and then do the Revolushion

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yall in favour of that prison reform until it comes to non violent financial crime

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

What do you think "prison reform" means?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago

I have a solution. Legalize murdering Billionaires.

Either they spend money on private security that might betray them, or they give away enough to drop below a billion.