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My post got removed despite it being from a reliable source (Ukrayinska Pravda- Media Bias/ Fact check.)
I am not looking to participate in a community where mods remove posts based on their feelings about the source, there needs to be a proof to the mod claim.
Why did my post got removed in this case?
How is the source unreliable, what is the mod proof for that?
Pravda, citing numbers found on Facebook, which have NOT been confirmed by anyone is NOT a trustworthy source on anything related to Russia or Ukraine. Full stop.
I should remove this post as well as we don't allow meta posts, but I'll allow it in the interests of transparency.
Honestly what the fuck jordanlund? These numbers are the official numbers from the Ukanian ministry of defense:
https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2024/09/24/the-estimated-combat-losses-of-russians-over-the-last-day-1400-persons-61-artillery-systems-3-anti-aircraft-systems/
You do good work as moderator, but this is a mistake, and you should change it.
Asking just because you didn’t specify - you realize the source was Ukrainska Pravda (privately owned, not state-run) and not Russian Communist Party owned one? And that the Facebook post was from official account of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
I do realize, feel free to read the actual article here:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/24/7476472/
"Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook"
The Source isn't Pravda, the source is a Facebook post. Yes, I removed it, no, I'm not apologizing for it.
You’re being overtly combative when I was merely asking for a clarification on your understanding to ensure there wasn’t a miscommunication.
As I stated in another comment, the source isn’t just “a Facebook post” it’s from the verified and official account of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine https://www.facebook.com/share/p/3n2sU1rSuebWeFp4/?mibextid=WC7FNe
As a mod, is it really your job to second guess sources cited within articles from reputable news sources? Would you have removed the article if it came from the New York Times?
I greatly respect the amount of work you mods have to do, and understand that it can be incredibly difficult - but from the outside it looks like you saw “Pravda”, assumed it was the Russian Pravda, and deleted the post based on that. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but that’s easily an interpretation someone could arrive at looking from the outside.
When someone reports a comment and the entire post looks fishy? Yes, that's exactly what moderators do and we do it literally every day.
IDK why you find the post fishy. These numbers are posted every day on [email protected].
The top sub on lemmy to follow the Ukraine war.
That’s a strawman. We’re not talking about comments. We’re talking about why you removed a post from a reputable source. You’ve said because it was 1) from Pravda (apparently not realizing all Pravda’s are not the same); and 2) because the article used a FB post as a source.
Just to do a baseline reset here - can we agree that the news article linked to was from a news organization that is generally regarded as reliable, including by the MBFC source your own bot uses? And can we agree that the Facebook post linked to was from the official and verified account of the Ukrainian forces? And that it matches both their website data and other verified social media posts?
The Source isn’t Pravda, the source is a Facebook post.
If you follow the link to the facebook post: https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid02TWTFhaFZBH1v5EJAzJ5fRTM3bBFk3aJ2fFJjneC54VaKM3X9GajtJR9rjQ6pzXysl
These are very obviously the official numbers, on the official general staff of Ukraine facebook page.
If you compare the numbers to the Ministry of defense, you can see they are the same:
https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2024/09/24/the-estimated-combat-losses-of-russians-over-the-last-day-1400-persons-61-artillery-systems-3-anti-aircraft-systems/
You made decision a based on a misunderstanding, which is fair enough, we all make mistakes.
But please accept when you are given the correct info, and adjust accordingly. IDK maybe you are having a bad day.
This is not up to your normal quality of moderation.
Also, Newsweek instead linked a Twitter post of the Ukrainian Forces https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-russian-troop-losses-peak-levels-1958439
And MSN didn’t even bother linking to a source at all. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-s-losses-in-ukraine-as-of-september-24-1-400-troops-and-61-artillery-systems/ar-AA1r6qtq
All told, it would seem like the source linked to in the post was the most authoritative available.
Social media is one of the central ways news organizations get information and has been for over a decade. I mean, that's one of the central reasons Musk's Twitter fuckups have been such a big deal! Removing a post for that is really stupid
Yeah, especially since they linked to the post in the article and you could see it was a legit verified account belonging to the Ukrainian General Forces. They did exactly what any good journalist should do.
My biggest problem is the mod is now seemingly reviewing news article sources personally. If an article’s source is judged to be generally very reliable by their own MBFC bot’s source, then a post linking to that source shouldn’t be removed citing that sources unreliability.
Honestly, I still think he saw “Pravda” and thought it was the state-run Russian Pravda and made his decision off that - and has been rationalizing all that ever since rather than admit a mistake. Look at what he commented on the deleted post:
Transparency posts in good faith should always be allowed (assuming the community doesn't get overrun).
Maybe more descriptive removal reasons would be helpful?
You are basically judging by your feelings instead of proof.
Those numbers are literally used by every news outlet reporting on that matter because they are believed to be the most accurate numbers.
Anyway, I guess you are too locked in your power position to understand the problem in your mod action.
I am not going to contribute to a community where the mod is building his kingdom instead of volunteering for the community.
Good luck on your power trip.
I'm not judging based on my feelings. If someone posted a link to the Facebook post that would also be removed.
Saying "Someone said this on Facebook!" is how we got the whole "Haitians are eating pets!" thing.
It's not evidence, it's not "News".
It's pointless for me to keep telling you that this a official communication channel for the source to update people on the stats of the war.
At this stage you are not just arguing against this article, you think that no reporting ever about this should be posted here.
You are coping with the fact that you made a clear mistake here by focusing on the communication channel being used rather than the entity that is reporting the numbers.
As I said before you are judging with your feelings.
If you are not judging by your feelings, reply with a link discrediting the source of this numbers.
Otherwise you are wasting time here.
You know the Ukrainian government can’t exactly easily hold a press conference, right? Respected news organizations often reference those Facebook posts, but if you want, here’s essentially the exact same post directly from the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine website https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2024/09/24/the-estimated-combat-losses-of-russians-over-the-last-day-1400-persons-61-artillery-systems-3-anti-aircraft-systems/
Since you’ve decided to step beyond vetting journalistic sources and doing the reporter’s job for them, did you look at the actual FB post? https://www.facebook.com/share/p/3n2sU1rSuebWeFp4/?mibextid=WC7FNe
Right from the verified page of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Comparing this to the BS coming out of Ohio is disingenuous at best.
Lol you sound as ridiculous as if you said Trump having an official announcement from a landscaping company wasn't credible. Sure, the location is kind of dumb, but if Trump gets in front of a bunch of cameras and says things, that's as credible as it gets.
...not saying Trump is credible, but that's still a credible source to report "Trump said this."
To put it another way, you're not shooting the messenger for the message he brings, you're shooting him for the horse he rode on.
That removal was bullshit IMO. I was puzzled and thought OP removed it himself, when it suddenly disappeared.
I'm honestly shocked that a mod removed it, apparently based on nothing but personal prejudice.
Edit for clarity:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ is one of the best sources we have for what's going on in Ukraine. And in my experience it is highly reliable.
Honestly, I still think he saw “Pravda” and thought it was the state-run Russian Pravda and made his decision off that - and has been rationalizing all that ever since rather than admit a mistake. Look at what he commented on the deleted post:
Usually he is OK, I have no idea what got into him?
Yeah, thought the same. That’s partly why I bothered to try and explain what was going on - it seemed out of character.
I think in these situations it’s best to message the mods directly rather than the community.
Welcome to the internet. IDK about the mods of this community specifically but generally there is no accountability.
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