Can someone eli5 why it is controversial to require proof of citizenship to vote in the USA?
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Because there are already multiple checks and barriers to entry in order to register to vote.
"What's the harm in adding one more" you might ask?
Historically speaking, voter fraud happens at extremely low rates, and not nearly often enough to influence national or state level elections. When voter fraud does happen it's predominantly someone (cough republicans cough) casting a vote for a recently deceased relative, and not an illegal alien voting fraudulently. Barriers to voting have a long and storied history in the US of specifically targeting minorities instead of preserving the power of the people.
This is why it is controversial. It's targeting a non-issue, distracting from the actual issue, and intended to suppress the votes of vulnerable citizens.
This appears to be referbcing registering to vote, "new voters". Not to actually vote. Is that wrong?
You already have to register in order to vote. When you register, the state confirms your eligibility to vote. These "proof of citizenship" "tests" that republicans continue to bring up are a very targeted attempt to reduce voter turnout in specific groups of people.
I understand what you're saying and am in agreement if that's the case, yet the article solely mentions requiring proof of citizenship across the country when registering. What tests are they trying to add to the equation? If it's just requiring proof, and everywhere already does that, how is this any different then ensuring some states can't remove that requirement from their local laws?
Can someone eli5 why it is controversial to require proof of citizenship to vote in the USA?
Whata really concerning is the other person I was talking with just downvoted me and never answered my question. Republicans have a way of making dems look bad in media. If their pursuit is truly just passing a redundant bill saying "in order to register to vote, you must provide proof of citizenship" and nothing else, then there is no reason to oppose this bill. It just gives Republicans ammunition to use in media saying "see dems want illegals to vote!!" . If their goal is to do something nefarious to actually make it more difficult to vote, then democrats should be able to clearly articulate what that thing is.
Gotcha. To answer your question, voter registration is managed at the state level. I'd have to do deeper check, but I don't think it is illegal to try to register if you are not eligible (in most "free" states), you'll just fail to be registered. It's already illegal to lie on the application, and there are provisions to verify eligibility at the state level.
Secondly, if this provison was meaningless, I'm sure Dems would let it pass. This is a (hopefully, but probably not) last ditch attempt from republicans to suppress the vote.
Third, no one with any capacity to reason is going to believe those republican knuckledraggers. Dems shooting down these provisions simply energize the mindless baboons that were still going to go out and vote for trump anyway. I guess it also gives republicans an excuse to say the vote was rigged, but they are going to do that when they lose in November regardless.
We already do, this isn't about proof of citizenship it's about removing certain types of voters from the pool. In the USA it is extremely rare that any voter fraud happens (we are talking like 30-40 cases over a billion votes cast) this kind of law is basically a vote tax, you wanna vote? This is a pay to vote plan, you wanna vote pay 60 bucks to get your passport, pay another 50 for your real ID. Not everyone has that money to spend so they can't vote
Not to mention... It takes extra time to check that info when you vote. Even if it takes just an extra 10 seconds to confirm an ID number. Out in rural (red) areas, it may only add a few minutes to the queue time to vote, but for urban (blue) areas, some voting stations see 40000+ people, adding literally hundreds of hours (distributed across a few lines) to the time it takes to vote. Factor in that voting is officially 1 day, and not a federal holiday. Who can afford to wait in line a few extra hours to vote in those areas? Who can take the whole day off instead of just their lunch, in order to vote? Who is going to have stability in their housing in order to keep the necessary documents safe and readily available?
It's all a plan to target the poor and working class in cities, suppress their votes, and erode the foundation of democracy, that everyone get 1 equal vote.
Because it makes it more difficult for legitimate voters to vote, and there is no actual problem that it fixes. There is no evidence of any widespread voting by non citizens. It's a law with only down sides, unless your intent is actually to disenfranchise legitimate voters.
Short answer (that clears things up for most non-Americans): There is no national ID card.
When you register to vote, you're expected to provide proof of citizenship, which for most Americans (who don't have or have use for a passport) means a birth certificate plus some photo ID (which ultimately proves that a person with your name and your birthday was born on US soil and you are in possession of their birth certificate -- so it's very likely you). Bringing your birth certificate to vote would be kind of risky, since it's the origin of all of your other ID and pretty much the only record that you're a citizen. (Work visa holders and permanent residents get social security cards, for example.)
Funnily enough, if you're an adult immigrant it's almost safer, because there's a huge federal paper trail of photos and records proving your citizenship (versus this flimsy piece of state-issued paper that native-born citizens have).
Of course, if election officials have some discretion on who needs to prove their citizenship, it's rife for abuse.
Non-citizens are already not voting. They want this to stop eligible citizens from voting. There would be less opposition if it was quick and easy to obtain the proof.