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Hunter Biden’s lawyer filed an ethics complaint against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) Friday, requesting that an ethics watchdog “immediately” initiate a review of Greene’s conduct after she …

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[–] WhereGrapesMayRule 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Washington D.C. has laws against revenge porn. I believe there were more than six people present:

If the sexual image is shared with 6 or more persons through “publication,” either directly or by uploading to the Internet, then the offense is First-Degree Unlawful Publication of a Sexual Image. This is a felony offense punishable by up to 3 years in prison and/or a fine of $12,500.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As repulsive a move as this is, I'm afraid that the DC law almost certainly won't apply in this case. This was done as part of her official "speech" as a representative.

The speech and debate clause, which appears in Article 1, section 6, of the U.S. Constitution, was written before the First Amendment and has a more limited scope.

The clause, whose inclusion reflected the development in England of an independent Parliament, states that “for any Speech or Debate in either House, they [members] shall not be questioned in any other Place.” It follows a provision, now largely moot, that prevents the arrest, for civil cases, of members traveling to or from sessions of Congress.

[–] instamat 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But what about the message she sent to the people on her email list? Surely that doesn’t have the same protections of the speech and debate clause.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depends on what a court decides "in either house" to mean. Does it mean physically in the House or Senate chambers? Does it mean "in furtherance of their duties as a congressperson"? I know how I would rule, but I don't know how the Supreme Court would rule.

[–] instamat 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t think anyone knows how the Supreme Court would rule these days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My general rule of thumb is "whatever the conservatives want."

[–] instamat 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hate so much that that’s true

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why do you hate that the court actually respects the constitution?

[–] instamat 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not so much that as the bribery and corruption allegations that a few of the justices have seen recently. That calls into question their integrity and objectivity.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

Lol make up retarded allegations and then make up rules to punish people for them. Who's the corrupt one again?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

In favor of the constitution

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What she did was legitimately illegal. It’s revenge porn. We all know she wasn’t found it for any reason than to try to embarrass Biden.

[–] regular_human 2 points 2 years ago

legitimately illegal

I mean, I understood your meaning but this is a pretty great oxymoron

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He should sue the living fuck out of her.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

She will almost certainly be shielded by the speech or debate clause.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Possibly, but you would think an argument could be made that her bringing this up had zero to do with the business of the nation, it was during hearings with the IRS for fuck’s sake! Do you know if there are any exceptions to the SDC?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

The text of the SDC is very broad. Any limitation on it would almost certainly have to come from the Supreme Court.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

He's a private citizen.

[–] instamat 1 points 2 years ago

She also sent a fundraising email to her marketing list with a link to a video containing the nude images. Is that speech and debate too?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What MTG did crossed the line.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago
  • Me, every day since she first entered the building.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

She is a disgusting psychopath, why the fuck do people support this? Is this really the sort of government they want?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Another day, another crime - another felony - brazenly committed by a Republican. And she'll probably get away with it, because laws and ethics are for plebes and "libs".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

The justice system is reticent to dole out consequences to conservatives because they know that each time they do, there is a fair probability of an uptick in domestic terrorism. We literally let the terrorists win. If we apply the law equally to fascists as we do to the rest of us, they will kill people with no remorse.

Y'all Qaeda is intellectually incapable of differentiating between terrorism and normal protest. This is why they view "left wing" protests about systemic issues as city-razing terrorist attacks that need the military dispatched with blanket kill orders. This is why they don't equate their club shooting, truck crowd-plowing, armed home-invader, electrical substation gunner terrorist friends as being a problem - because theyre just "protesting" like the left. The left is "already doing it" so they can too.

The actual word "terrorist", to them, is a word that means one thing: a filthy middle easterner who wants to blow up buildings to go to a virgin-filled afterlife. There's absolutely no mental space for them to consider their fellow conservatives in the same group or to accept the actual definition.

This is so dangerous. We're already in a trap, even if we turn around now, it hurts a lot. The smart greedy opportunists flock loudly and publicly to conservatism now because they see that they can break the law and get away with it, because of this implied immunity-via-terrorism that may befall us if accountability comes for them in the public eye. But we need to turn around and pull out, because if we get fully trapped, we're all done for good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

As shitty as it was, it is almost certainly explicitly constitutionally protected. She could be censured or expelled from congress, but it was not a crime by virtue of being done in her capacity as a representative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Didnt she repeat the act afterwards tho? Outsode of the legal walls of congress?

[–] instamat 3 points 2 years ago

She also sent out a link to the photos or a slideshow to her constituents via email.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Now that I don't know. If so, then I suspect she'd no longer be covered, unless a court were to interpret speech pertaining to her role as congressperson anywhere to be the same as "in either house". I could see a good faith argument for it, but if Judge Wagesj45 was on the case, I don't think I'd rule in their favor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It was an elected member of congress doing revenge porn against a private citizen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lot of people are saying it's revenge porn. How would it be revenge porn, specifically?

[–] Laticauda 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Publicly posting or showing sexually explicit images of someone you don't like without their consent in order to hurt their reputation or shame/humiliate them is revenge porn. Most of the time the person doing the posting is a former lover, but it's not exclusive to former lovers. It can also be done by schoolmates (like bullies for example), coworkers, family members, political rivals, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you. I've always assumed that it was specific to a former lover or at least personal relationship. I can't think of any cases I've heard of that weren't.

[–] Laticauda 1 points 2 years ago

The reason it's more common with former lovers is because they're the most likely person to have access to the victim's nudes due to the past relationship. So it is rare for it to happen with other people, though it's not unheard of.

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