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Absent legal representation of twitter in Brasil, the Supreme Court will block Starlink and elon's financial resources in Brazil (g1.globo.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/enoughmuskspam

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Faced with the lack of a legal representative of the social network X in Brazil, the minister of the Supreme Court (STF) Alexandre de Moraes blocked accounts of the company Starlink Holding, which also belongs to billionaire Elon Musk – which provoked a new reaction from the businessman (read more below)

Last week, Moraes considered the existence of a “de facto economic group” under Musk and, on August 18, ordered the blocking of all the financial values of this group in Brazil, to guarantee the payment of fines imposed by the Brazilian Justice against Rede X.

According to aides to the office of Minister Alexandre de Moraes, the other company under Elon Musk in the country – in addition to the X – is precisely Starlink, which operates in Brazil in the sale of internet services by satellite, especially in the North region.

What Starlink is and how does it work

Elon Musk compares Alexandre de Moraes to movie villains

All Starlink leaders in Brazil have already been notified and subpoenaed to also answer for the amounts due to the Brazilian Justice by X.

After the blockade of the accounts, the billionaire returned to criticize Alexandre de Moraes - whom, on Wednesday (28), compared to villains of films (see video above).

In a publication in X on Thursday (29), Musk called the minister "dictator" and said that President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (PT) is conniving with him.

“The tyrant Alexandre [de Moraes] is the dictator of Brazil. Lula is his dog,” Musk wrote in a free translation.

The businessman Elon Musk decided, according to announced on the 17th, to close the X office in Brazil.

The reason is the fact that the company does not agree with the fines imposed by the Supreme Court or with the determination of withdrawal of content published by users on the social network that confront the Democratic State of Law and Brazilian legislation.

Since then, Minister Alexandre de Moraes has gone on to request the businessman to establish a legal representative to officially answer for the acts of the platform. O processo de Elon Musk contra megaempresas por suposto 'boicote' ao X — Foto: Getty Images

Elon Musk’s lawsuit against mega-companies for alleged ‘boicote’ to X — Photo: Getty Images

The subpoena in post

On Wednesday (28), Moraes gave 24 hours so that the social network again has a legal representative in the country, under penalty of suspension of service.

The decision was released overnight, in a post on the STF’s profile on X, in response to the company’s post made on August 17 about the closure of the office. On that occasion, in addition to announcing the closure of the office and the withdrawal of its representative from the country, the platform informed that the network would continue to be used in the country.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

TL;DR

Supreme Court: A federal investigation showed these accounts are infringing the law, block them or pay a fine for each day they continue to stay up.

Elon: Pissing, shitting and screaming

SC: Pay your fines and follow the law or you won't be able to operate in the country

Elon: I'm closing down our offices in Brazil so now I don't need to follow the law

SC: You have 24 hours to name X's legal representative in Brazil or we're shutting down the service. To ensure you pay your assets are frozen

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Even better tidbit: https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1f4b4m3/how_the_brazilian_judge_outsmarted_melon/

Since Judge Moraes had imposed fines and injunctions on Xitter, Melon thought it would be smart to close the X office in Brazil so that he would not have any representatives to be subpoenaed for the decisions. If the judicial system cannot find anyone to subpoena, Melon may have thought, that this would avoid any consequences.

And, in fact, for 10 days the judge tried to subpoena the Ketamine-head without success. But Brazilian law provides that if it is proven in any way that the defendant had knowledge of the subpoena, he will be considered subpoenaed for all intents and purposes.

What did Judge Moraes do? He simply ordered the subpoena to be published on Xitter and waited for K-head to fall into the trap of reacting, which would prove that he was aware of the subpoena. And Musk, probably without thinking for a second when he heard about the post, reacted posting an AI generated image showing Moraes in jail.

It was a masterstroke because everyone in the world knows that Melon is an irrational crybaby who reacts to everything without any self-control. If he wasn't as addicted to posting on Xitter as he is to ketamine, the trap wouldn't have worked.

[–] barsquid 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Seems very different from when he immediately capitulated to requests from Turkey. Makes you wonder.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Doesn't make me wonder anything. I think most people paying attention know he is happy to comply with dictators.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure musk is in the wrong here.. And I do hate saying that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Do you have any link to a credible contrary discussion on this? Because all I see is bolsominions screeching, it is hard to find an unbiased source.

PS: globo, uol and record report no wrongdoing against elon, bandeirantes is waiting to see the documents the court sent elon to make him call the judge a dictator.

I don't see any reasonable people siding with elon against the government (safe for the detail of throwing starlink and X together, that is being debated, but someone has to pay the fines).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Elon sucks but the Brazilian government isn't exactly the nicest one in the world either. I'm not sure which side of this issue I support. I want them to both lose somehow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

e.g.? you can say that about any government.

I just want elon to deal with the consequences of acting like "we'll coup whoever we want" as he posted before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I don’t see any reasonable people siding with elon

Many many people now decide whether a story is true or not based on how they feel about Elon rather than the story itself. So yeah - I bet you don't.

Near as I can tell Musk is being ordered to shut down some accounts based on them spreading misinformation. That's a dangerous game for any government to get into. That's why I'm withholding judgement here. Sure - they may be accounts I disagree with - but government censorship should be questioned.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not just misinformation, it's also the ban in profiles that spread/contribute with the coup attempt.

And the censorship argument used by some people is dumb, we Brazilians have a law about lying and defamation, is just that applied for the internet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I'm sure you do have a law about it - I'm questioning whether such laws are good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We'll see how it goes in the EU and the UK ~~(and the US)~~. If twitter keeps promoting openly unambiguously nazi content, there are laws to deal with that. Brazil just did it sooner because elon boosted the guys questioning electoral results of a very contested election without any evidence.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If twitter keeps promoting openly unambiguously nazi content, there are laws to deal with that.

Not in the US there aren't. And that's my bias - that sometimes you need to allow shitty people to say shitty things because the alternative can be worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

this is not about the US, but it may become in November.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I know it's not about the US. These types of laws can't pass in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

My problem here is way more that Musk accepts roughly 80% of censorship requests out of totalitarian countries like Turkey, so his claim to be a "free speech absolutist" of some sort is just objectively false; and while government censorship should always be questioned, this is clearly hypocrisy and not actually meant to promote free speech.