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Hi. So I've been a fish user for a while, but I've always gotten frustrated with it not being POSIX compliant. I tried to use zsh with oh-my-zsh to still benefit from fish's capabilities on zsh, but I had 2 problems with it: it was incredibly slow, and it wasn't as good. As I recently found out, the plugins can just be sourced in zsh directly, skipping oh-my-zsh, and fixing my speed issues. But the second issue remained: zsh-autosuggestions is just not as good as fish's autocompletion feature, which suggests commands in a user's PATH, as well as autocompletes directories, without me having ever accessed them, meaning they weren't even in the history at that point, which allowed me to hit the ground running. I want that with zsh as well. Is there a plugin or something like that, which allows for these extra features, and can autosuggest commands from PATH and autocomplete directories? I really want to switch to a POSIX shell, but the lack of this feature would make it feel like quite a downgrade. Thanks.

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[–] INeedMana 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

autosuggest commands from PATH and autocomplete directories

I think you might have autocompletion disabled. I have these features in my zsh

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It works now, thank you for the help.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you should be able to reconfigure the plugin, I have it set to pull from history first and after that look for standard command completion using the following:

ZSH_AUTOSUGGEST_STRATEGY=(history completion)

important is that you put this BEFORE sourcing the plugin.

the github should carry more information on how to configure this plugin.

PS: I use all of 4 plugins (fzf-tab-bin, zsh-autosuggestions, zsh-syntax-highlighting, zsh-history-substring-search) and I have a better shell in zsh than I will ever have in fish, I don't need anything more fancy and oh-my-zsh is hell to work with compared to a simple .zshrc I handrolled because it's got any other shell I know beat (yes I know of nushell and it is cool, but it's even less posix than fish). also, once you're done run zcompile .zshrc, you won't regret it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It worked! Thank you so much. That's all I need. I have seen people use zsh-history-substring-search and fzf-tab but I don't currently need them, so I won't use them. Once again, thank you so much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No problem, I was looking for this after I tried using fish seriously for a month and it was the only thing I needed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every time I install a new machine I install zsh and then run the install script in here: https://github.com/romkatv/zsh4humans

It's a simple script created by the powerlevel10k zsh terminal theme author, and it's simple and awesome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Another alternative I like is zim. I feel it’s snappier and less fiddly than oh-my-zsh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've just skipped "frameworks" and straight up source the .zsh files directly into my .zshrc. Less bloat, more speed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, I LOVE this. If I ever decide to do a new zsh config, I will definitely use that. There's some pretty cool stuff in here, but I've already got everything configured pretty much the way I want it. Thanks anyways.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, not an answer to your question, but what is it about non POSIX that frustrates you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I type in a command without sudo, I prefer to type in a sudo !! rather than to up arrow, then do Ctrl+A then type sudo and press Enter, for example. I wanted to install Nix earlier, but I needed to be in a POSIX shell for it to work, so I had to switch to bash for the installation. Those are just 2 examples from earlier today, and while you can learn to deal with them, it would juat be more effective to use a POSIX shell instead. It also means I can just set it as my login shell instead of having each of my terminal keybinds as kitty -e fish, across all of my many window manager configs. Fish is faster, but I'm not sure if the cost is worthwhile.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I prefer to type in a sudo !! rather than to up arrow, then do Ctrl+A then type sudo and press Enter

Fish has a hotkey for this built-in, just hit Alt + S.
The login shell troubles are very valid however. I worked around them by modifying my .bashrc to drop me into fish, and it has been working pretty well for me so far.
The linked solution also handles only launching fish if the parent process is not fish, so you can still access bash easily for when you really need it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your suggestions, but zsh has been treating me very well, so I think I'll stick with it for now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Literally not even slightly what you're asking for, but have you considered using bash with ble.sh? I'm also a former fish user, and ble.sh replicates all of fish's quality of life improvements (that I used, at least) and then some, all with a single source command in my .bashrc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just tried it, it's alright, but it seems that zsh meets my needs better currently, so I'll stick to zsh.

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