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Not so friendly reminder that musk specifically came up with, and pushed, for hyperloop knowing that it would never be made, as an effort to stop the development of highspeed rail in America and shift all political discussions of it because "something better is around the corner":

As I’ve written in my book, Musk admitted to his biographer Ashlee Vance that Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans for high-speed rail in California—even though he had no plans to build it. Several years ago, Musk said that public transit was “a pain in the ass” where you were surrounded by strangers, including possible serial killers, to justify his opposition.

source: new york times

Also: 2024 update, the total length of China's high-speed rail tracks has now reached well over 45,000 km, or 28,000 miles, by the end of 2023.

They are additionally five years ahead of schedule and expect to double the total number within ten years. And, before someone inevitably complains about "how expensive it is", they are turning over a net-profit of over $600M USD a year.

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[–] WhatYouNeed 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dear Mr Musk,

Where is my hyperloop, you lying fucken cunt!

Yours sincerely,

Everyone

[–] CaptPretentious 3 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Realistically, no one should want that thing. It's a death machine waiting to happen. It would absolutely get the nick name "HyperDeath" so fast.

Examples

https://youtu.be/0N17tEW_WEU&t=116

https://youtu.be/Zz95_VvTxZM

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[–] Lionheadbud 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've been on the high speed line from Shanghai, it's fantastic. Covered 700km in around 2 hours with beautiful views of the landscape. The ride was comfortable and relaxing.

I've also been on the Shanghai Maglev, which I believe at the time and maybe still is the fastest passenger train in the world. It was pretty amazing flying over the motorway. It goes between Pudong airport and Shanghai city centre in about 10 minutes. I felt slightly nauseous during the acceleration.

[–] Emerald 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

China would be such a nice place to live if it wasn't such a bad place to live

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[–] Snapz 6 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Search Thunderf00t on YouTube. Researched and sourced refutation of each of musk's many and always evolving lies, from an actual physicist with a PhD.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Adam Something does a good job of savaging Musk's bullshit as well, along with lots of other "tech bro" bullshit in the same vein (and no misogyny that I'm aware of). He does talk a bit too fast, however, so I always slow his videos down a bit and they come out alright.

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[–] Dead_or_Alive 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Projects intended for the public good don’t need to be profitable. It is disingenuous to argue that High Speed Rail is profitable in China, nor can you make the assumption that it could be profitable in other markets.

There are a lot of conflicting reports on how profitable HSR is in China, the fact that government and Industry are often one in the same and the lack of good public accounting at Chinese companies makes any reports from HSR advocates out of china questionable. After all they do want to sell their HSR technology globally.

HSR is much more difficult in the US as the rights of private property are respected and projects need to pass a much higher threshold of review for environmental impact, etc. There are many major infrastructure projects in China that turn out to be poorly planned and executed years after they have been completed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It is disingenuous to argue that High Speed Rail is profitable in China

Good thing that's not what OP or anyone else in here was arguing. Like you said, it's a public good. It doesn't need to be profitable to serve the public interest. In fact, profits run counter to the public interest. So why bring it up?

HSR is much more difficult in the US as the rights of private property are respected and projects need to pass a much higher threshold of review

We have eminent domain, and HSR has been built in Europe despite stricter envirobmental regulations.

There are many major infrastructure projects in China that turn out to be poorly planned and executed years after they have been completed.

Wow. Couldn't happen in the US. Never.

[–] Dead_or_Alive 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good thing that's not what OP or anyone else in here was arguing. Like you said, it's a public good. It doesn't need to be profitable to serve the public interest. In fact, profits run counter to the public interest. So why bring it up?

Only OP did argue it… it was part of his closing arguments of his post he even cited a WSJ article on it.

We have eminent domain, and HSR has been built in Europe despite stricter environmental regulations.

We do have eminent domain, but it is still a much harder process than in China where all land is owned by the central government. My point was to reinforce the fact that the process of building HSR is harder and more expensive in the US than in the CCP, not that it’s impossible.

Wow. Couldn't happen in the US. Never.

Your “Whataboutisms” are either ill informed or disingenuous. The amount of badly built infrastructure projects in China vs the US aren’t even on the same scale. Feel free to educate yourself and google “tofu dreg projects”.

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[–] thisorthatorwhatever 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The Big Dig didn't cost that much in the end ... about 1/4 of what Musk paid for Twitter. If a billionaire could throw money away on a vanity social media project, than the government could spend a quarter of that on critical infrastructure.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 6 points 3 months ago (12 children)

It is disingenuous to argue that High Speed Rail is profitable in China

High efficiency public infrastructure doesn't add economic value because it won't show up on China's domestic ledger as "profit for shareholders". You heard it here first.

government and Industry are often one in the same and the lack of good public accounting at Chinese companies makes any reports from HSR advocates out of china questionable

Yes, we have data to argue there is an economic benefit, but DON'T TRUST IT! Everything good you read about China is a lie and everything bad you read about China is a ten times worse.

HSR is much more difficult in the US as the rights of private property are respected

LO-fucking-L.

And that's just the modern stuff. Google "Robert Moses" if you really want to get a taste for American style private property protections.

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[–] dantheclamman 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I do remember that moment I first read about hyperloop. Before that, I was as fooled as anyone else by Musk's BS. It was the first time I remember doing a double take and thinking, wow, this guy is operating on bad faith here. What else is he saying that is actually bullshit?

[–] chiliedogg 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah. Even if he were 100% genuine in his want for it, the challenges facing a nationwide network of pressurized sub-surface tunnels is unfathomable.

I mean, the engineering requirements of building a fucking basement can vary drastically in 2 locations 50 yards from each other.

It would be, by far, the most-difficult engineering project in the history of the world.

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