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I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn't this like if you couldn't send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?

Like, you're not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don't see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.

People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that's fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can't and shouldn't be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.

[–] placatedmayhem 42 points 4 months ago

This is called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish". Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90's and 00's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 months ago

I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don't consent to use it. AFAIK, you can't block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.

[–] takeda 33 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

because fuck facebook and its ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Facebook bad.

Yes that's my whole take.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

This is all you need.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All the arguments were had here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11011288

edit: and the subsequent vote where we decided to defederate: https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against

https://lemmy.ca/post/11771031

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Thank you for the link

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they've done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don't trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that's one of the reasons I joined it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

For me it's just "fuck Meta." Fuck that company for coming here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I can't stand what the internet is turning in to. Turn off moderation like it used to be. It used to be the wild west, now it's a dystopian hellscape. I prefer the wild west myself.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago

Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.

That's it.

In reality, threads and lemmy aren't even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don't see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.

One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn't that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you're willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it's because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I'd call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it's easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.

lol