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[–] MapleEngineer 126 points 4 months ago (61 children)

I'm cis. I'm a cis man with a exclusive sexual interest in cis women. I find the term very helpful to express very clearly who I am and what I want. I can't imagine being so delicate as to lose my shit over being called cis.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm cis and my sister is too. My cister, if you will.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

No, I'm just a bachelor dude. A mister. Or even... a "cister"?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

Wow guys, get a load of this cissy over here!

(Jk me too lol)

[–] BleatingZombie 23 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I don't know why people get so grumpy over the word cis

If a room has no lights on do you say "this room has a complete absence of light"? Or do you say the room is dark?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (19 children)

I find the word as displeasing as some people find 'moist', but I'm entitled to an opinion. Am I going to wave a sign around and demonstrate over it despite thinking it was promoted for its potential to upset the victim? Of course not: it's just a stupid name and I've been called far worse by better drill sergeants. There's a lot of room in there between disliking something and "losing my shit over" it, and it will help respecting others if you understand that.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 131 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Cherry picked statistic of transgender suicide rate. They only look at that number, but never why that number is so high.

It's almost like constant bullying has a major effect on people's mental health

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] stankmut 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's also not the suicide rate. It's either the has attempted suicide at least once in their life rate or the thought about it rate. Can't quite remember which, but definitely not the suicide rate.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Even including attempts that's high as shit. Thought about it, then it might not be that high, depending on how serious the thought have to be.

[–] stankmut 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'm fairly certain it's attempts now that I've looked at it again. It's been a long time since I've read breakdowns of the studies and what the numbers all mean. It wasn't as simple as 41% of trans people attempt suicide. The numbers went down post transition and I don't think suicide attempts had to be serious attempts to be counted (I think it's worth nitpicking this).

Edit: Tried finding the survey the number comes from and got a bunch of different responses that are just confusing me more at this point. I'm probably done here, since researching suicide statistics isn't a ton of fun.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Imagine we joked about cisgender men suicide rates the same way we joke about transgender suicide rates.

Plus this statistic is flawed. It comes from an older study that does not even compare pre- to post- transition.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

People who joke like that are disgusting.

I don't care who you are, if your best option is suicide, we failed you and we should be sorry.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago

In fact, the American Psychological Association warns that manhood and masculinity are so construed by society's expectations, that being a man poses mental health risks itself.

There is a whole subdiscipline that focuses on 'counseling men".

Not to mention no one of this lot wants to have this discussion, either online or IRL.

https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Who jokes about suicide rates from any group?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Is every word and number going to get colonised as dogwhistle until all of language has become a minefield ? Why do we even give air to this shit ? It seems to me acknowledging it is to give it power and legitimacy.

[–] ameancow 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Kind of like asking if we can stop picking up stones and rocks and using them to beat each other and instead use them to build homes.

This isn't a new fight. There will always be people who take our tools and abuse them by using them to hurt others. That's what we're fighting against, people who use our tools to hurt people instead of doing good. Unfortunately, if we just let people who collect stones and sticks for hurting people be, and not push them out of our village, they will just grow in number and strength so we can't just block it out, we can't live and let live around those who would take your life if they grew strong enough.

If it's tiring and annoying to see people have to always yell at the club-and-rock-wielding thugs and throw rocks back at them, you don't have to get involved, but don't decry those who DO have the courage to throw rocks back. If they didn't do this, the rocks would start hitting you next.

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[–] rockSlayer 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think I'm missing something with "41" is it some kind of dog whistle?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

41%, or the statistic of how many transgender people have attempted to commit suicide.

Sometimes used as a synonym for suicide.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=41

[–] rockSlayer 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Of course it's something horrific like that. Fuck those people. 41 goes on my dog whistle list.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't want to live on the same planet with anyone who would quote that statistic for any reason other than an emphatic demand for action to lower it

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (43 children)

watching transphobic cis people piss and shit themselves over being called cis has been one of the funnier things in my modern life.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Pardon my ignorance, but what does cis mean?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (9 children)

“cis” and “trans” are prefixes denoting on what “side” something is. “cis” means “on this/our side”, while “trans” refers to “the other side”, for example:

  1. “Cisalpina” is how the Romans referred to their side of the Alps (modern day Italy), while “Transalpina” referred to land on the other side of the alps.
  2. There exist certain pairs of molecules with either a “cis” or “trans” prefix, depending on whether certain identical groups are on the same side or on opposite sides, respectively.

The modern use of “cis” and “trans” is generally about gender. A cisgender person is someone whose gender identity aligns with their sex assigned at birth, while a transgender person is someone for whom that doesn’t hold true.

In this meme, the person on the right is wearing a transgender flag for a shirt, and presumably offending the cisgender person on the left by calling them cis. The meme is making fun of the fact that some cisgender people consider “cis” an insult, when it really only is a neutral and non-offensive description.

[–] SirSamuel 22 points 4 months ago

Can i just thank you so very much for that amazing etymology summary you just made? I can't even grammar right now, love it!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s short for cisgender, which is basically the opposite of transgender. Cis and trans are both Latin prefixes, meaning ‘same side of’ and ‘opposite side of.’

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Like Inside as the outside. Do you feel like a man and were born male, do you feel like a woman and were born female? Then you are cis. It's the opposite of trans: inside not like the outside.

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