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[–] BobbyBandwidth 202 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do you think the cops have tanks now

[–] TheDubz87 89 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was gonna say, we get shot for protesting now...probably gotta change that part first.

[–] Thteven 118 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] TheDubz87 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I misspoke...er...typed, we get shot and have no real way to defend ourselves being wildly outgunned by police. Thanks for that PBS article btw. I hadn't heard of a lot of these happenings, and I'm still reading through it.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now? The pinkertons never left, and they started ages ago. Protesters got shot then too.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Strikers were bombed back in the day by aircrafts. Unionization was won through enduring warfare yet we just gave it away. Shows how powerful unionization is that the elites are completely terrified of it, and that they have surpressed the history of it so few will know how much blood was shed to get it.

[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.”
― George Carlin

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He was really wrong about voting though. If it didn't matter, the fascist GOP wouldn't be fighting so hard to prevent people from voting.

[–] madcaesar 14 points 1 year ago

He wasn't wrong. During this time the parties although different and Republicans being shitter, were much closer together. They were both pro corporate with differences on social issues.

Today.. The Republicans have gone full batshit trying to overthrow democracy. I guarantee you, if George was alive he'd be saying VOTE and vote for Democrats until we've gotten rid of the dangerous fascists.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Working from inside a system that has been corrupt from the beginning doesn't work

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Many parts of the system were designed to disenfranchise various groups. One of the most effective of those parts is the message that your vote doesn't matter.

Refuse to be disenfranchised. GO VOTE.

[–] whereisk 17 points 1 year ago

And that they're all the same.

They're not.

Voting is like taking public transportation, it's not going to take you to your exact destination but you get on the bus that gets you closer.

Not getting on the bus because it doesn't go exactly where you want to, or you don't like the bus driver is allowing others to take you in the exact opposite direction.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Voting alone might not but it's an important part of the process. You should agitate and organize, but also go vote and get your friends to go with you.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Soap, ballot, ammo. Gotta go through the boxes in order.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They got wise to that and called in the police and military to help them.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They did that back in the day too.

[–] Cabrio 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.” over the bodies of tyrants

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, too unreliable - the worst of the lot hired private armies to assault and murder strikers.

[–] DarthBueller 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Pinkertons literally became the FBI and CIA.

[–] Maggoty 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Hope you dont spoil those magic cards

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[–] Cruxifux 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like it’s the working class who forgot.

The rich are well aware, which is why they put so much energy into making us think that isn’t an option.

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[–] mayo 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I love this sentiment but I hope we can keep lemmy a nice place.

Like I'm sure we all agree that a good billionaire lynching would be awesome, but I also don't want to crow on about it day after day. Escalate or bust.

[–] islandofcaucasus 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Escalation takes build up. The French revolution was all murmurs and bitching until it wasn't

[–] Lenins2ndCat 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not just build up, but actual conflict.

Revolutionaries aren't spontaneous creations. It takes decades of conflict between the population and the state to harden the people into what eventually becomes the revolutionary army.

Almost everybody here with their soft bodies and their soft minds is not capable of taking part in 6-48 months of revolutionary civil war tomorrow. You have to look at the conflicts of France over the last 10 years between its population and the state to understand what prolonged build up of radicals and radical forces looks like. Decades of a population actively doing battle with its state over various national things before ever reaching the point of "fuck it we ball".

[–] RGB3x3 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It feels that at this point, the ruling class has gotten so good at giving us just enough to keep us from outright revolution. It's little bonuses here and there, it's providing just enough to keep us afloat long enough to get through the next election, it's information manipulation to have us arguing with each other rather than focusing our anger on them.

It's going to be extremely difficult to break that control.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the endless money spent on propaganda, convincing people that companies are good and everyone fighting for workers' rights are evil, painting the latter as greedy and corrupt assholes with subversive intents

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah this is the case for any revolution. I've been reading "The Constitution and other writings of the founding fathers" and it's interesting to see all the rhetoric and mental preparation they took before firing even the first shot. The tension was palpable and the colonists were already resolved to fight a war they knew would not end quickly. Most notably over things we just bend over and take nowadays.

The average citizen today does not have the same sense of responsibility and duty to preserving freedom and democracy like they did back then. Sometimes I wonder if people in the west are too soft in resolve and dedication to really revolt in any meaningful capacity, beyond a few days of protesting. No matter what the issue/ideology at hand is.

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[–] zombuey 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look up why the christmas bonus became a thing.

[–] RGB3x3 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Here's your once-a-year appeasement sum. Don't spend all of that Bed Bath and Beyond coupon in one place."

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just got a subscription to the jelly of the month club. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

What gets me is:

If people have more money to spend, they buy more things.

The more things they buy, the more money goes into the pockets of corporations and the CEOs.

It's literally a win win situation that doesn't end in the Uber Rich being chased down by hungry angry mobs.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Redress." It's "redress of grievances," not "address." They can have similar meanings, but they aren't quite synonyms.

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[–] RealThunderhop 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish we could back to that other option. It seems quite reasonable.

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