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Takeaways from the AP investigation into the Palestinian families being decimated in Gaza (apnews.com)

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[–] givesomefucks 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Among the hardest hit are the Mughrabi family: more than 70 were killed in a single Israeli airstrike in December. The Abu Najas: over 50 were killed in October strikes, including at least two pregnant women. The large Doghmush clan lost at least 44 members in a strike on a mosque and the total soared over 100 weeks later; by spring, over 80 members of the Abu al-Qumssan family had been killed.

All it took to radicalize Luke Skywalker into blowing up a military installation with millions of people living in it was a dead Aunt and Uncle...

And people act like they don't understand why Hamas keeps getting recruits.

Imagine you were hanging out at a neighbors place and came home to see 70 members of your family dead and your whole neighborhood leveled.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But have you thought about Israel right to exist as the genocide state?

[–] givesomefucks 15 points 5 months ago

You have to recognize that casual genocide is just part of Sith culture...

Being against genocide is antisithmatic.

[+] Copernican -6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ironically doesn't this star wars analogy work the other way. Israel citizens are attacked. A small relatively small amount of civilians die. Then Israel goes commits genocide.

[–] givesomefucks 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Only if you start the series in the middle of the timeline like George Lucas...

[–] Copernican 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Both sides think they're the good guys with something to avenge. And both sides probably do have that.

[–] JacksonLamb 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Killing civilians doesn't avenge anything, no matter who does it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

This both sides narrative related to Palestine is not accurate because this is about a colonizer and a colonized people. I personally don’t believe that there’s any scenario where the colonizers are the good guys because colonizing relies on oppression, dispossession and dehumanization of the colonized, and consequently a feeling of superiority, otherwise the whole thing won’t work.

[–] Copernican 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not making a both sides argument about history. I'm making a both sides observations about personal experience and belief. Individuals on both side have experienced things that compel them to feel justified in war at a personal psychological and biographical level. Collectively, at a sociological level too. Explanation/description and justification are not the same thing, and I am merely trying to explain that no side thinks they are the bad guys, and both sides think they have justification. If you want to explain "why" israel goes to war it's not useful to describe them as a maniacal bond villain or one dimensional like a Marvel Villain.

I think the conflation of justification vs understanding, description, explanation, is preventing us from having meaningul discourse. When Hannah Arendt wrote "The Origins of Totalitarianism" it wasn't a justification for the the holocaust. It was a description of the rationality that lead to the holocaust. Just because you can attempt to understand evil doesn't mean you are promoting or justifying it. Today, merely suggesting that Israeli's suffered and had had experienced a sense of duty to rescue hostages is somehow interpreted as an argument for genocide and will somehow cause someone to be accused of being a zionist or some other inflammatory rhetorical pejorative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I understand what you’re saying I just don’t get the point of saying it, of course Zionists think they’re the good guys because again, colonizing relies on oppression, dispossession and dehumanization of the colonized, and consequently a feeling of superiority, otherwise the whole thing won’t work.

[–] Copernican 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What do you mean by "the point"? Anything that doesnt fit the preferred narrative is just not the point or arbitrary?

The star wars analogy is what I responded to. What was the point of that.

[–] werefreeatlast 5 points 5 months ago

We should probably stop supporting Israel. That country became shitty right after their first response. I think that first response was sort of expected but then they just went too far. I wouldn't want to be associated with all this they are doing. Murdering entire families. That's nazi.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The AP review encompassed casualty records released by Gaza’s health ministry until March, online death notices, family and neighborhood social media pages and spreadsheets, witness and survivor accounts, as well as a data from Airwars, a London-based conflict monitor.

Hundreds of local reporters juggled covering the relentless Israeli bombings – 6,000 in the first five days of the war – while running for their own lives and seeking shelter for themselves and their families.

In the first month after Hamas deadly Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which killed about 1,200 people, Gaza’s health ministry said 300 Palestinian families lost over 10 members.

The 10 strikes analyzed by AP mainly hit residential buildings, homes and shelters where parents, children, grandparents were huddled together for safety.

In one attack in the crowded Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, Israeli bombs erased an entire block of buildings.

The law of war allows for a “sort of rushed form of warfare” with higher civilian casualties where a military needs to respond quickly and in changing circumstances.

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