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    [–] Hypersapien 144 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There is a way to get genuine help from a Linux forum.

    Say "Fuck this, I'm going back to Windows".

    [–] mvirts 71 points 2 years ago

    Don't do anything rash, give me a minute I'm wrapping the command with Tkinter

    [–] tehcpengsiudai 12 points 2 years ago

    Two ways, the other is by saying "solved" with a half baked solution that's incorrect.

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    [–] [email protected] 108 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    I guess you could say Linux fanboys' silliness is...

    ...terminal.

    [–] akippnn 17 points 2 years ago

    dad jokes this early in the morning (in the east part of the world)

    [–] Graphine 95 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    I swear it feels like for a lot of the things I do on Linux there's a GUI app for it, but then if I wanna do something as basic as adjust my fan speed I gotta use the freaking terminal.

    Like it's always at the worst possible time.

    Edit: I’ve installed a distro on my gaming PC that I really liked, used it on my laptop. Sensors and fans were fully supported. Did not work at all on my PC so I told it to fuck off. It’s just too much of a pain to set up.

    [–] zelifcam 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I prefer using my scripts, but I understand everyone isn’t insane.

    https://flathub.org/apps/org.coolero.Coolero

    [–] zelifcam 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I’ve noticed over the years a LOT of Linux users do no have their system sensors / CPUs setup properly. Mostly missing fan information, missing / incorrect sensors and most importantly improper AMD CPU PSTATE and governors. For example, the past few years I’ve had to ensure I had correct kernel drivers and boot kernels parameters for my AMD 5950x to properly use the correct governor and idle at 500mhz and for correct sensor information and control for my viii dark hero MB.

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    [–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    There's coreCTRL for AMD and apparently nvidia-setting for Nvidia?

    AMD GPUs got more tools due to them being open source, while Nvidia's isn't and you are beholden to Nvidia bothering to implement support, which they often don't.

    Also, idk if I would call fan curves that basic, haha. For the vast majority the default curve is sufficient.

    [–] Dnn 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious. I've been using computers for decades and not once adjusted fan speeds, so that function doesn't seem very basic to me.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    When building a system yourself, setting up a custom curve is how you get the best balance between cooling and noise.

    I try to choose motherboards that support doing that in the bios, so I never have to worry about it on the OS level.

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    [–] denast 8 points 2 years ago

    I think it's a matter of habit, really. After using a somewhat minimal Arch install with a WM instead of DE, I get frustrated when an app doesn't have a CLI version, using GUI now feels less comfy almost

    [–] PastorHaggis 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is part of the reason I haven't gone back to Linux for my gaming PC. I had zero desire to try to set a fan curve in the terminal.

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    [–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Who need GUI apps when you can do these things on CLI:

    • view image: imcat my-image.png
    • watch video, even YouTube: mpv --vo=tct "https://youtube.com/watch?v=BBJa32lCaaY"
    • browse the web using modern Firefox engine: browsh
    • listen to your Spotify playlists: spt play --name "Your Playlist" --playlist --random

    and perhaps many more I'm not currently aware of...

    [–] imben 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    While this is not a serious post I'm going to take it seriously, so here are some of the reasons:

    Nobody can easily remember the precise file name and if you don't get the first letters right you're screwed(did I mention capital letters matter?)

    Wtf is --vo=tct? No sane person is remembering all of that (same goes for the rest 10000 parameters and options)

    Again, waaayyy too many parameters, who remembers their playlist name? There is no autocomplete here, you're on your sad own in your sad little room with your sad little feelings, because there's no one there to tell you the song's precise name, because computers are assholes and don't hate you.

    So why GUIs? Because they make computers seem like friendly fellas which actually care about you and give you options, tell you the available functions(without deciphering a 50 pages manual if done well)

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you take it seriously, then at least your complaints should be reasonable, not meme-worthy.

    Autocomplete is a standard feature in CLI nowadays, so no need to remember everything.
    And parameters usually have names chosen to make the most sense and to be memorable (e.g. vo = video output).

    [–] propaganja 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    Serious person here.

    Can autocomplete fill in a YouTube URL or Spotify playlist name? Can I browse the list of what's available and filter, drill down, poke around according to my whimsy?

    Or if I'm accessing a local file, how do I find that one video of my cat named VID-004326.MP4?

    Can I autocomplete the parameters themselves, which are betimes lengthy and unwieldy to type out?

    Even if it's possible, and I've mastered every arcane parameter necessary to do it, is it really faster / more convenient than doing it through a GUI?

    Maybe there are good answers to the above questionsβ€”I don't know and would love to find outβ€”but they and many more like them are surely reasonable and far from meme-worthy, or else I'm missing something huge.

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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=BBJa32lCaaY

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.

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    [–] croobat 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    And remember kids, if it is a command, you can automate it and never do it again.

    [–] hydroel 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Exactly! Takes so much of the pain away. And you know what would be really useful? If those scripts were accessible easily through simple buttons or sliders on which you could click, or something like along those lines.

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    [–] kamen 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    IMO it's not even a Windows vs GNU/Linux debate (although yeah, maybe more of the users of the latter would be familiar with the CLI), it's about using the right tool for the job. Image or video editing? Good luck even starting to do anything without a mouse. Installing something? Yup, even on Windows I'd prefer doing scoop install foobar2000 instead of opening a store app or a website.

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    [–] MossBear 27 points 2 years ago

    I use CLI daily for git and nano, but it's far from necessary for the average user. I'm not sure why some people want to propagate the idea that Linux is hard when it's just a little different than what most people are used to.

    [–] Synthead 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    This seems like something a Linux elitist would say

    [–] Jmr 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    tErMinAL iS mUCh MorE fRieNdLY. gUi is DuMB

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    [–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Terminal is great until you paste a command from an online tutorial and it doesn't do what it is suppose to.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Do su rm -rf / to fix all issues you have

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Just for those who are not aware don't do this. This is equivalent to deleting system32.

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    [–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

    Hey, stop bashing linux:)

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    If there is a well written manual or a wiki im fine with using terminal programs.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    But ofc, there's always no documentation available other than a man page.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There is also that obscure forum post from 2012 that refers to a post from 2004, from someone who gives some cryptic advise with commands not even in the manual that are outdated from 5 major releases ago but somehow still work. Except for one command tgat you then google and find a forum post from 2016 that it has been renamed, but the functionality stayed the same.

    Anyways you put it all together and your problem somehow got solved, but you seemed to have created a black magic incantation because now a three headed demon has appeared and eaten your neighbour alive.

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    [–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    If you're bored, you can visualize a rotating GUI in your mind. It's free and nobody can stop you.

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I think the only reason Windows users are afraid of terminals is that they're not used to them. They're not that bad. Most terminal programs have a -(-)help command that shows you what you can do as well, in case you get stuck.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I do think there is another reason, which is that the Windows CMD is awful. If that's your only reference, I understand not wanting to learn it.

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    [–] RoyaltyInTraining 8 points 2 years ago

    I am a huge noob in the terminal, but --help, man, and basic knowledge about things like grep and pipes make me look like a wizard sometimes.

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    [–] Spooner 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    As a Windows Infrastructure admin, I love this one.... and some of the responses. Perfect.

    /crys in PowerShell

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Why do you need a gui for a timer? Just use sleep number && mpv someMusic.mp3

    [–] warmaster 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Why do people even use a Desktop Environment, so many GUIs !!!

    [–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

    I used to be a user that was all about the terminal, but then i realized that gui apps have advantages

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    ubuntu unity user: oh yes we do

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    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

    How much do you think you're going to be using it?

    Just this once.

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