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France in Shock as Conservative Leader Embraces Far Right (www.nytimes.com)

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[–] retrospectology 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn, if Russia and China pull this off I don't want to hear any talking down by the French about Americans being politically unsophisticated. France even got the benefit of witnessing exactly how the Russian/CCP far-right sabotaged the US democracy from the inside out by exploiting their dimmest demographics. Same with the UK. Yet these countries are falling the exact same playbook, it's crazy.

Welcome to the "multi polar world"...

[+] redisdead -13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah sure it's Russia's fault lmao.

Liberals will blame literally everyone but themselves for the problems they caused.

Even the 'centrist' Macron allied himself with the far right. They're all vampires of the same family.

[–] needthosepylons 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well I mean you can't base everything on it and France is following an international push to the far right, but the is also a documented involvement of and financial ties between the Kremlin and the French far right. ... That being said, they would surely have won even without that.

[+] redisdead -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I can base on the fact liberals have fucked this country to hell and back and they didn't need Russian money to do it, their own greed was enough.

And the alliance with the far right was about work reforms and he needed them.

[–] needthosepylons 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True enough, but that wasn't my point. I was referring to the French FN/RN.

[–] redisdead 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

French far right being funded by Russian money has absolutely nothing to do with the complete obliteration of our public services and of our welfare system that has been happening for 40+ years under the hand of liberals.

Stop blaming Putin for everything, if the far right is popular today, it's because liberals have ruined our country, not because of Russian money.

[–] whereisk 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is only partially true. The propaganda money from the big end of town is what’s getting people to vote against their own interests.

How does voting for the neo feudalists does anything to restore the welfare system?

The answer would be to vote for the people that want a better functioning government, vote further left not “oh well, I might as well vote for the people that want to burn the government to the ground”

This is some Brexit level shooting themselves in the foot to spite their face. The British public is slowly waking up to “Oh we were wrong”.

I just hope the west will have the opportunity to recover from this tilt.

[–] redisdead 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The left has the same amount of money if not more. They can afford meetings and propaganda just as well as the far right.

The reason the French far right is funded by Russian banks is because french banks refused to loan them money.

The fact people are turning more towards the far right than the left is because the french left is absolutely moronic and dumber than a box of rocks.

Also, RN won't be worse than Macron. There's nothing they can do that hasn't been done by him and his cronies.

[–] whereisk 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I disagree with most of those points but even if I grant them this still doesn’t answer how they think the party that hates government will run it better.

We saw what 15 years of Tory rule did for England. “They can’t be worse” - you’ll be surprised.

[–] redisdead 1 points 5 months ago

They literally can't. You'd be surprised just how amazingly similar their platform is to the regular right wing of Macron.

See, they don't hate 'government', they like it just as much as the other liberal vampires do.

[–] needthosepylons 1 points 5 months ago

I literally agree with you and you're arguing with me. That's.. awkward.

[–] redisdead 7 points 5 months ago

The only people in shock are the ones living under a rock for the past, idk 30+ years.

They've always been butt buddies with the far right.