Doesn't scanning before upload imply the encryption is broken somewhere? Is that the point, to remove encryption? Forgive my naivete.
this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2024
115 points (98.3% liked)
Privacy
31935 readers
647 users here now
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
Some Rules
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don't promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
Related communities
Chat rooms
-
[Matrix/Element]Dead
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
For sure! The EU will tell to the apps to backdoored their encryption to accept this law. For example Google, Meta and Microsoft are okay with it if it is implemented. And Signal would leave the EU market.
We need more censorship-resistant, private, decentralized communication protocols. We need them to be widespread enough that lawmakers see censoring/controlling them as technically impossible and politically unwise. That means they need to be easy to use for the average person so we can get sufficient adoption. Donate to your software of choice, that's how it happens.
This is kinda how Bitcoin is. Even if a nation-sate wants to "ban" it or attack the network, the network is gonna keep working and doing its thing (technically impossible) and they will piss off a bunch of voters and/or other keys to political power and potentially lose out on businesses and jobs building in this sector (politically unwise). The CCP tried to ban Bitcoin some years ago, did not work at all, and the network wasn't nearly as strong or large as it is today.
I would say matrix but that is unlikely. Simplex Chat and Signal it is.
Matrix is in fact decentralized, SimpleX too. But Signal is centralized.
I won't disagree
Signal has downsides but it us still better than Whatsapp
Almost everything is better than WhatsApp
And yet all of my friends and family refuse to leave whatsapp no matter what because everyone they talk to is also on whatsapp and they don't want to deal with multiple apps.
🫤
load more comments
(1 replies)
I thought the chat control law idea kinda died already
They will try to bring it back to life every few years or so
political elites in Europe are afraid and fear upheavals are coming in the coming years and months because of the cost of living crisis and the war. They try to clamp down beforehand to preserve their own power. This always happens when things go bad. The leash is kept looser when people behave and it's tightened again when the opposite happens. There is no real freedoms that is given to the people by the elites, because what concessions they give willingly they can just as easily take away when they no longer feel like it. Provided that they think they can get away with it.
It's not just European elites who are afraid of upheaval. It's all of them. It's one of the reasons why they all have bunkers, why Zuckerberg is building another one in Hawaii recently. They know that we can actually do something about them because we outnumber them by a lot, so they build these systems of control. Governments, corps, elites have all become noticeably more brazen in the past several years.
This is why we shouldn't let such people to the government in the first place. Anyone who believes in "patriotism" and "national interest" (that appears to be 99% of people in the democratic world) will disagree though. It's a matter of double standards, lack of understanding and care at this point
load more comments
(1 replies)
nope, they'll vote on it again in the few weeks. if it passes, e2ee messengers will be required to scan images on device before sending them. you will be able to not agree to that, but then you won't be able to send or receive media and links, only text.
Here are the first vote results https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712
Great, so I'm seing this right that everyone is voting Yes?
That's it, only the green party is "okay"
Why is this not headline number 1 in every newspaper? It can't get any more dystopian than that. Why does nobody care, god damnit...
Why it's not number 1? Because people are using SMS, Messenger and Instagram chats...
You're right this world is crazy, they should talk about the right things...
Is it true it's already implemented by google, meta...?
No it's not implemented but they would implemented this backdoor if the law pass
But why can't you just use software from GitHub or F-Droid or something that doesn't have to obey these laws? Is it illegal?
good luck getting everyone you know to communicate with you with "software from GitHub or F-Droid or something". I'm having a hard time making people try out Signal, which is freely available on the major app stores (and which, by the way, has declared that they'll leave the EU market if one device scanning will be enforced on them).
I think this would give me a reason to tell my contacts why I refuse from now on to use whatsapp for instance. I could say something like whatsapp now scans every single photo you send, therefore I won't use it so contact me on some other place.
Good luck with it, mister/miss
Thank you, good luck to you too
load more comments
(3 replies)
Signal is great but lack some points, like the requirement of the mobile number or the centralisation of the servers
load more comments
(1 replies)
In fact it would be illegal but you wouldn't take risks by using them. But the authorities could make them shut down one by one
Even if this is illegal - how would such usage be detected? Your device just makes a request to a random domain on a random VPS, and the traffic is TLS-encrypted - would usage of XMPP/Matrix/whatever be that distinct?
I totally understand and this approval is absolutely ridiculous just because it's almost impossible apply this... But even with almost 0 chance applying to every apps it's better to kill this law as soon as possible
Never, they'll try again and again with different names, covered by different purposes and stuck to another law.
They try every year...
I sent my friend "ax4uol4wj83birqti336mk92mu8" and that's what he got
load more comments
(1 replies)
It is cute that they think they can regulate the use of math and how the internet can be used.
lol
load more comments
(1 replies)
If this ever makes it to the US I am going to put up a hell of a fight. On my left will be California and on my right Texas.
view more: next ›