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In case anyone takes that seriously: farmed animals mostly eat industrial agricultural food. And they need 10 kilo of food for every kilo of meat. So you're basically killing ten times as many farmland animals when eating meat compared to earing plants directly.
I thought they were making a joke that insects are part of the family and animalia and therefore you'd have to kill way more insects than you would traditional farm animals.
Oh I know. My point is that traditional farm animals basically don't exist, in the same way that manually harvested grain doesn't really exist anymore
Traditional animal farms, or tradional farm animals?
The former is how we used to farm animals with lower density and free range, the latter is animals that have historically been bred and raised for meat; pigs, cows, etc.
I mean traditional-farm animals, so animals at a traditional farm. Sorry, not a native speaker.
Not a problem! That's why I clarified
Lower intensity agriculture is possible, but just not as consistent or price effective. You could, for example, raise pigs or chickens mostly on food scraps and have meat that requires little extra inputs, but maybe not if you need to raise thousands of them.
Yes, possible in theory. Quite hard to find in practice
Wait until you hear about how much compost contributed to global warming...
I know that the food I eat feels pain. I don’t feel good about it, but that’s definitely the reality.
Don’t plants feel pain too though? I really believe that all consumption creates pain. Perhaps animal suffering is more real or important than plant suffering, but I don’t love that I can’t eat without killing something else.
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No, plants do not feel pain. They do not have a nervous system, they do not have consciousness, etc.
Even if they did, that's still an argument for veganism. Where do you think animals get the energy they store in their bodies? They don't absorb it from the sun. They eat plants, use some of that energy sustaining their life, then you eat them and absorb some of what's left. Anywhere from 1/4 to 1/10th of the energy they originally consumed. Meaning if you are looking to minimize suffering, regardless of whether or not plants feel pain (which they don't), eating plants directly is how you do that.
But have you considered this? "bacon"... vegoon owned... my genius shocks me sometimes
I wish I had enough b12 to be this smart 😔
Did you know that b12 feels pain too?
Maybe not, but we don’t know for sure
We do not know if plants are capable of subjective sensation. There is no scientific proof that plants feel pain. But it is also quite clear that we cannot simply rule this out. There is circumstantial evidence for this, although not a complete chain of evidence.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2634081/
And to be clear, I’m a shitty human because I eat meat. I’m not arguing for my lifestyle. Just having a related conversation.
We are as sure of plants not feeling pain as we are of rocks not feeling pain.
The real question is does water feel pain? Do minerals feel pain? Maybe even pain itself feels pain. I wish science could possibly answer these troubling questions, but alas, I'm not willing to look it up.
Water feels pain and this is easily verifiable by hitting it... you'll see that it actually reacts to your hit and MOVES, proving that it feels pain
The animals you eat eat way more plants than you'd eat directly.
That's why I only eat carnivores
I- but... Err, alright 😂
The animals* not the food
Also no plants don't feel pain
I eat the animals, therefore, they are food to me.
Actually yes, plants do feel pain. Likely not to the same level as us, but they do react to things that cause pain.
Reacting to stimuli ≠ feeling pain. Plants do not have a nervous system, nor a brain, nor any way of consciously feeling that pain.
If you want to understand what feeling pain is, feel free to watch farmers smash piglets heads into concrete (thumping, an industry standard) until they're no longer breathing or pigs being dropped into CO_2 chambers and having every mucas lining in their sinuses, eyes, throats, etc acidified as they suffocate to death.
My smartphone sputters and dies if I put a knife in it. Is that a pain reaction?