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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I really hope its a jury trial, and they prove to be very useful. Interesting strategy Google went for.

[–] catalog3115 21 points 7 months ago

When it's jury case they have to disclose everything publicly which also a plus point.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is the cheque redacted?

Who and what is being protected?

[–] extant 15 points 7 months ago

How much the bribe is for, people would be very upset if they knew how cheap they got sold out for.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We really need to stack the supreme court.

"Well republicans!---" ..are already doing it in state supreme courts.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 9 points 7 months ago

All that notwithstanding, Google cutting the check is a concession to the merits of the Antitrust Division’s case. As Lee Hepner put it, “If it wasn’t clear already, Google is acknowledging that actual monetary damages, even if trebled, are an insufficient deterrent for a trillion dollar entity to illegally maintain a monopoly.”

There are a couple of things going on here. First, Google has an unlimited budget for its antitrust defense, and it also does an immense amount of product testing. It’s quite likely that it did mock trials in front of test juries, and found that the outcome probably wasn’t good. The judge in the case, Leonie Brinkema, has been pretty annoyed at Google, so it’s not a promising outcome if they go with a bench trial. But they will bet on the judge than a jury. Second, circuit courts are usually more reluctant to overturn a jury than a judge, so Google wants Brinkema to have to author an opinion that they can then try to overturn.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


This week, liquor monopolist David Trone lost a Democratic primary despite spending $60 million, the Supreme Court overwhelmingly ruled that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is constitutional, and Google actually offered money to the Antitrust Division to try and avoid having a case go to a jury.

They just cut a check for all proposed harms, tripled it in accordance with the Sherman Act’s treble damages charge, and claimed that the point is moot.

Google hired a fancy medieval scholar, a guy at a Scottish university named Professor John Hudson, to explain how the founders were libertarians who thought the public was dumb.

I’ve watched a bunch of antitrust trials, and it’s clear that judges have too much power, and that having normal people involved would be a significant improvement.

As Lee Hepner put it, “If it wasn’t clear already, Google is acknowledging that actual monetary damages, even if trebled, are an insufficient deterrent for a trillion dollar entity to illegally maintain a monopoly.”

The judge in the case, Leonie Brinkema, has been pretty annoyed at Google, so it’s not a promising outcome if they go with a bench trial.


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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ugh when will the governments finally dare close Google?

[–] runjun 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That would give apple a monopoly in the mobile space and Microsoft a monopoly in the search/business app space.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

both of those should get split up too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh well. Torque wrench overtighten these anti-monopoly laws that make duopolies the most common thing

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] catalog3115 4 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

His article mentions that the Supreme Court ruled the CFPB is unconstitutional, but I hadn’t even seen that. I couldn’t read about google after reading that. What in the fuck

[–] NOT_RICK 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s the opposite of what the Supreme Court just ruled regarding the CFPB

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Oh, good. I misread it, my b. I was wondering how I hadn’t heard this devastating news earlier.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If Google doesn't get broken up over such blatant bribery, I don't know what it'll take.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Of course, the voice of reason. :)

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The headline is strange. The DOJ sued for money and Google just straight up gave them the money they could have won upfront. That's not a "pay off"; it's literally what they asked for. It's a win for the DOJ. Google's argument against a jury trial also seems on solid ground. The right to a trial by jury is meant as a protection for Americans; the government itself doesn't have the right to demand a jury. If the defendant thinks the legal issues in the case are too arcane and a judge is more likely to get it right (and get it right faster, which is cheaper), that's their prerogative.

[–] airglow 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Based on the statements Google previously made, Google most likely sent a check for a fraction of the damages that a jury could find them liable for.

It's unclear just how big the check was. The court filing redacted key figures to protect Google's trade secrets. But Google claimed that testimony from US experts "shrank" the damages estimate "considerably" from initial estimates between $100 million and $300 million, suggesting that the current damages estimate is "substantially less" than what the US has paid so far in expert fees to reach those estimates.

According to Reuters, Google has not disclosed "the size of its payment" but has said that "after months of discovery, the Justice Department could only point to estimated damages of less than $1 million."

A fine of less than $1 million is absolutely not what anyone except Google is asking for.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A fine of less than $1 million is absolutely not what anyone except Google is asking for.

The DOJ can really only ask for treble damages. If Google paid ~$3 million, that's realistically as good as the DOJ was going to get. It sounds like the initial estimates were just way off. Nobody should be shocked that the inept antitrust division screwed up again. They're going after big, buzz-worthy names without the facts or law to actually back it up.

[–] airglow 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Only Google is claiming that the damages are less than $1 million. You're taking Google's self-interested claim as fact while overlooking Google's financial motivation to pay less than what they owe, which a jury could find to be in the hundreds of millions. For obvious reasons, court judgments aren't decided by the defendants.