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Had to buy a certain product to use a certain substance and there's a really stupid new law. (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by FlyingSquid to c/mildlyinfuriating

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What is this? Some sort of 'protect the children because they're totally not using apples and soda cans' bullshit?

Why is this in any way necessary or even useful?

Edit: Just discovered this was about tobacco, making this even stupider since this product isn't for tobacco, it's for cannabis. https://dclcorp.com/blog/news/pact-act-impacts-vape-industry/

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you seriously complaining about requiring a signature? Why should weed paraphernalia be treated any differently to tobacco?

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Since it requires me to be at home when I've never had to for this before? Yes.

And it should be treated differently because the law is about tobacco. if they want to make it about weed, they should specify that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you may be forgetting that weed is illegal, federally. The product you're buying is for tobacco -- officially -- because if it weren't it would be a federal crime to ship it across state borders.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to sign for a bong, despite it officially being used for tobacco.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

But it doesn’t contain tobacco (at the time of delivery) and isn’t electronic.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Same with the vaporizer I bought.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The vaporizer is electronic

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think I'd know whether or not the thing I bought was electronic. Especially since it was a replacement for the same thing which I bought once before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I understand that. As you can see by the other comment I left, I think it’s just an oversight in the law.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

I could see it in the specific case of a cheap (steam) vape pen purchased without debit/bank card off of a general store site. They check the mail and pocket it, get vape juice from somebody. Charge+fill and it's ready in a pocket or backpack etc. Similar for concentrates, portable dry vaporizers (or something like dynavap) maybe a bit less.

A $100+ desktop dry vaporizer purchased from a dedicated website seems like it'd be harder to hide unless parents are really inattentive. Miss the credit/debit record, miss the delivery at the door, then them carrying it in (+branded boxes), a dedicated spot in their room where it's plugged in, and an almost ritual to properly heat up the glass/material that might give it away (glass clinking, balloon bag filling, fan on/off etc).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I know tobacco laws in this country (USA) are archaic. It seems like this ties into tax laws more since tobacco regulation and taxing is determined by locality. And by restricting federal handling they can push this closer to the localities instead of a federal blanket of laws

Also notice this line; "...aerosolized solution, delivers nicotine, flavor or any other substance to the user inhaling from the device.”
They know it might be used for cannabis. It's just like how non-alcoholic beer falls under alcohol regulations even though it should be treated like normal beverages. Good examples of old laws not properly reflecting the current times

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's for the same reason you need to show ID if you have alcohol delivered

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to sign for a bong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Bongs aren’t electronic. That’s, seemingly, the line in the law.

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[–] RainfallSonata 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Porch pirates.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think so. A law specifically stopping porch pirates from stealing vaporizers?

[–] RainfallSonata 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (46 children)

I mean, if enough vaporizers have to be re-shipped because they were stolen before they're received, yes, of course. You're not going to expect to pay a second time for something you never received. The insurance company (I assume this is medical use?) or the supplier doesn't want to pay a second time. Of course they're going to make you sign. It's not a law to stop porch pirates, it's a law to reduce costs.

[–] SchmidtGenetics 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s so they aren’t shipping to minors….

[–] RainfallSonata 2 points 6 months ago

Well, yes, now that OP quit dancing around his vape pen use and provided a source, I see that.

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