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What do you think will happen if we don't pass the aid for Ukraine? (lemm.ee)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Please define "we". This is a international community so you can't assume that everyone lives in the same country as you.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The Default Country, I guess

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago

We're on a lemmy.ml community, so Mali I guess

[–] Harbinger01173430 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Rome?

[–] supercriticalcheese 2 points 7 months ago

Yes both Western and Eastern Roman empire!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The country that's not part of the rest of the world

[–] Ultragigagigantic 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Palestine according to the USA

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I'll assume they mean the countries that currently support Ukraine

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[+] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago (6 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Why do people talks so easily about US starting war with Russia? They each have thousands of nukes and if it devolves into nuclear war then earth is fucked beyond repair for at least a few centuries. This is not WW2 anymore, a war doesn't mean dropping with a bunch of soldiers on a beach, it means an apocalyptic destruction of earth.

[–] assembly 18 points 7 months ago (13 children)

That is true but at the same time, a line has to be drawn somewhere. If we just let Russia win because they have nukes, there is nothing to stop them from invading and absorbing other neighbors. We can’t let the threat of nukes keep us from doing anything and allowing for Russia and China to just invade anywhere they want.

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[–] froh42 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I live in Germany, was a teenager in the 80s. We would have been ground zero then, and would be ground zero now.

I've already spent all the fear of nuclear war in the 80s. I am just not able to fear nuclear war now, anymore. The fear just dulls after nearly half a century.

The choice is to let a madman bring war to one country after another or to stop it - with the cost that stopping has a miniscule chance of me getting vaporized.

But doing nothing will keep the risk of nuclear war for another 50 years. It has to be stopped now, appeasement never did anything good.

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[–] Harbinger01173430 3 points 7 months ago

We have 122 vaults spread all over, just in case, no? ... No?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t read that comment as implying war was easy or okay. How’d you get that impression?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

the NATO/EU/US may decide to become directly involved in the war

After their involvement, I doubt they'd do nothing if some of their soldiers get shredded by a Russian bomb. Let's imagine Russia is beaten and it's on the brink of complet defeat. Do you really not expect them to send nuclear warheads everywhere before collapsing as an ultimate fuck you ? 10% of the warheads are enough to turn earth into a post apocalyptic wasteland.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I'm by no means an expert in international relations. However, with respect to your last paragraph, I do think that China monitors the development carefully. I would even go so far and assume that they won't act on Taiwan until the situation in the Ukraine is decided. Not because the cases are so similar, but because China and Russia seem to be important partners for each other. Right now, China is supporting Russia financially by buying resources from them (if I'm not mistaken) and also supporting them with equipment embargoed by the EU/US. China will probably know what it's risking when they attack Taiwan and I doubt that they want to create that sort of situation while one of their most important partners (might be mistaken here) is in a war that binds their resources and weakens their support for China.

On the other hand, they could also try to start the war on Taiwan soon, hoping that NATO/US stretch their support too thin.

Tl;Dr: I don't know either.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If the US doesn't pass aid for Ukraine Russia will have the ability to attrition a win eventually.

More importantly for the US, China will see the lack of support as a sign of weakness increasing the timeline for a active conflict over Taiwan.

Ukraine is a test case for Taiwan that the Chinese government is paying extreme attention to

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do still have at least a little hope Ukraine is going to win. A territory does not typically successfully invade another territory a second time. However, I continue to be outspoken for Ukraine. Without aid, Ukraine will probably do what Chechnya is doing and just resort to dirtier tactics, which I'm glad Ukraine is not doing yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Thanks, Pipey.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Ukraine alone won't be the cause for a dystopian scenario with Russia as the world government, but I don't like where it would be going if Ukraine fell. Russia surely wouldn't stop afterwards. I'd rather see a world where trade connects people than a world where governments forcefully connect people via ideologies. The latter never worked out for anyone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who is we???

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who is we???

Perhaps OP is a member of the US congress, trying to figure out what to vote for? 🤪

There is a nice sample of Michael Parenti talking about this kind of use of the word "we" at the beginning of this song. (lyrics here)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

WW3, eventually. The regime won't stop. The ambition is there to rebuild the USSR. That would mean starting a conflict with NATO and, if I'm lucky, NATO will actually involve.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Then there will be more aid to israel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Ukraine will continue to fight for what is rightfully theirs. They've done an outstanding job so far, and it's really highlighted the decline of Russian influence on the world stage. Russia is nothing more than a petrodollar fueled aggressor.

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