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[–] fubo 43 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The prohibition is not on speech. It's on installing a specific piece of software on government-issued devices, when the government has determined that software is a security & privacy threat.

The professors could legally use a third-party client app (if one exists) to connect to the service.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

One example cited by the plaintiffs is Jacqueline Vickery, Associate Professor in the Department of Media Arts at the University of North Texas, who studies and teaches how young people use social media for expression and political organizing. “The ban has forced her to suspend research projects and change her research agenda, alter her teaching methodology, and eliminate course materials,” the complaint reads. “It has also undermined her ability to respond to student questions and to review the work of other researchers, including as part of the peer-review process.”

This is literally preventing some profs from doing their jobs properly. There has to be a way to sandbox it to negate the threat while still allowing academic research and teaching.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ban says they can't install the TikTok app on government-provided devices. I don't see why they can't have the TikTok app on their personal devices. Or if they have to visit it on a government device, why can't they use the web interface.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ban is on devices and networks, so even if they bring their personal devices to campus or want to use the web that's a no-go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Eh, no reason they can't use their own data, though. To me, it's not much different than the restrictions from most companies have, where you're not supposed to use company resources for personal business.

[–] generalpotato 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They can’t have the university expense a $300 Android device + a vpn to access TikTok? This solves, not having to use a government issued device that access government’s resources and networks, and being protected by using a vpn to create an onion route and preventing potential phone home.

If they cannot work around this, then I legitimately question the quality of “research” they would be conducting here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are 3rd party tik tok apps?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not a US citizen so I'm not sure how this works, so if I say some stupid shit you can call me out on it, but, is it not a ban only in state devices/networks?

Why is that impeding researches/studies? What is stopping them from just using a personal device on a personal network, or at least a "work" (but still personal) device/network?

I just don't understand that part.

[–] zaph 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For not being a US citizen you have a better grasp on our free speech laws than the professors suing Texas. First I want to state fuck Greg Abbott. Now with that being said, it's not a violation of free speech for the government to block a website on government devices/networks. There are already a huge number of websites that are blocked. I can understand the arguments against doing it but it's not a violation of free speech just because they don't block Facebook too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

First I want to state fuck Greg Abott.

Woah whats state fucking? Sounds intense.

[–] mkwt 2 points 1 year ago

I'm a USian and state government does in fact have to pay more respect to the first amendment than private businesses.

They have to show some kind of compelling interest that justifies doing something like this. And keep in mind that "state devices" are not just office PCs, but also stuff like Chromebooks distributed to schoolchildren.

I would trust university professors on something like this.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

"Government decides how Government resources are governed."

...

Yeah, seems pretty reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Banning an app has nothing to do with free speech protection. That case will most likely be thrown out unless theirs some sneaky clause I'm missing that they are challenging here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This is one of those situations where I hope everyone loses

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Why does Texas hate free speech and freedom so much?

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