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I am not an atheist, I genuinely believe that God exists and he is evil, like a toddler who fries little ants with a lens.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] KISSmyOSFeddit 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

A toddler who fries ants with a lens isn't evil, though.
At least not more evil than most toddlers.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

The term you’re looking for is Evilgodism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

Isn't the god supposed to define what good and evil even is, and wouldn't therefore any monotheistic god be "good" by definition?!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

That's what people say, but in practice people have their own ideas and just project them on to god.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

There is no reason to believe that a higher power cares about the concepts of good and evil to begin with. Taking a walk through the woods seems like a morally neutral activity, but all of the insects you crush along the way might view you as evil for what you do to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Somewhat off-topic, but there's this line of thought, which multiple Christian thinkers have come up with throughout the centuries, called the Ontological Argument. It basically tries to prove the existence of the Christian God with only pure logic, no axioms involved.

Proofs without axioms don't exist elsewhere, so take the following with a massive grain of salt, but basically it goes:

God is a maximally good being. Existence of a maximally good being is itself good. Therefore, God must exist.

Aside from this being circular reasoning, it also involves a massive axiom: The existence and definition of good vs. bad.

But with your point, we can advance the argument even further:

Defining what's good is good.

That way, we get twice the circular reasoning, but no axioms anymore. πŸ™ƒ

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

My limited experience with going to Church of God places indicated to me that they hold this belief, but I do jot know the term for it. They didn't pray to god, they prayed to Jesus, specifically. And cried for him. And thanked him. And apologized to him. And so on. All to Jesus, not god, who are apparently different.

The idea of the Trinity is not the same across all "Christian" religions, see Arianism for example of an early split.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'd never heard of them, but I looked them up, and I don't see anything in their declaration of beliefs to suggest that they think that God is bad or evil. They just seem to have an emphasis on praying to Jesus, but they seem to have pretty standard Christian belief that God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all parts of the same being.

I am not sure how aligned all of the different Church of God denominations are in their beliefs, but the main website for them seems to be pretty standard Christian stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

You're right, I just mentioned them as an example of splits about exactly what has gone on with the differing beliefs about trinity interpretation. I don't recall that they believed in an evil god. I do recall that some interpretations have other feelings and operate as such.

The Arians and the Church of God are probably not really connected to what op is getting at. I'm definitely not a theologist haha! Maybe I should stay oiy of this...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

They certainly didn't start out this way, but the terms gnosticism and manichaeism are now both used loosely for this depending on the context.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Adaptus Ministorum

[–] InformalTrifle 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

There is no god, but if there was one, the only logical conclusion is that he’s evil. So whatever you call it, your religion is the most sane one I’ve ever heard about

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[–] multifariace 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I am unimportant. This world is primed for the great devourer.

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