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Tesla is dragging Apple into its upcoming fatal Autopilot crash trial (www.theverge.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Walter Huang was killed when his Model X slammed into a safety barrier.

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[–] pleasejustdie 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tesla insists that Autopilot is safe and only fails when drivers are distracted.

That can mean one of 2 things:

Autopilot is safe and will drive you anywhere you want to go safely, unless you get distracted, then it goes into "unsafe" mode and attempts to kill the driver. I doubt this is what they are trying to say with that statement, so number 2 is the most likely.
Its double-speak of epic proportions because the statement itself is implying Autopilot isn't safe since it requires an alert driver to be ready to correct it. Its either "safe" or it isn't. If its not "safe" without intervention, then its not safe and to claim otherwise is fucking delusional. At least state the truth, the autopilot is prone to mistakes and requires a human to pay attention to ensure the vehicle is being driven safely. The autopilot is most definitely not "safe".

[–] fidodo 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think what they mean is that it's safe to recover into manual driving mode, as in it won't get stuck in auto pilot mode if you need to take over.

Of course they shouldn't have called it fucking auto pilot then. They want the marketing but not the responsibility. If it were called something like driver assist it would communicate what it's supposed to do better.

[–] Anticorp 4 points 8 months ago

Right. It's advanced lane follow.

[–] Ginger666 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Aren't you still supposed to keep your hands on the wheel while it's driving?

[–] SmoothLiquidation 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the main problem with "auto-driving" features right now. They work well enough that the driver stops paying attention to the road, but not well enough to be 100% accident free. This allows the auto manufacturers to point to distracted drivers as the cause.

We probably need something like an insurance fund paid for by the makers of the technology to handle the claims that come in. It would force the manufacturers to be a lot more cautious of rolling out these features.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

My car beeps if my hand isn’t on the wheel after like 5 seconds and threatens to shut off the feature if you don’t get your bloody hand back on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I tried it once, the car started beeping, then louder, louder, much louder, then started quickly biting the brakes in short intervals. After that I decided that I should let the car know I'm still alive.

But it should then put on the blinkers and slowly come to a stop.

It's not a Tesla though.

[–] IphtashuFitz 2 points 8 months ago

Teslas do this as well but it often takes more than 5 seconds…

[–] Anticorp 2 points 8 months ago

Apparently the Tesla just smashes into a guard rail and kills you if you don't put your hands back on the wheel.

[–] cmfhsu 2 points 8 months ago

Yeah you can buy a device that bypasses this for $15 on alibaba.

Back in the day, a water bottle would defeat this. It's not a solution that actually viably works right now.

[–] Ginger666 1 points 8 months ago

Do both hands have to be on or just one?