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They are both awful, yes, but one side is distinctly worse than the other

Are they both objectively terrible?

I mean, trump seems obvious. Unstable wannabe tyrant/dictator from a party of evangelical theocrats, criminal, fraudster, blatant liar, thief, rapist, sycophant of dictators, insurrectionist, wife beater...and we haven't even dug in to the party that supports this behavior along with their LGBTQ hate, restricting womens' rights, voter fraud, election fraud, gun rights > your life, handing everything to the billionaires, environmental destruction of most every kind, and of course their NAZI underpinnings.

Joe is a career politician with all the baggage that goes with that, but he's not actively and willfully sabotaging the country.

Not voting is a conservative ploy. It's their best chance.

The process of evolving your leadership remains the same:

1. pick the least-worse option, based on who can realize goals they're pitching that actually help people.

2. repeat step 1 every election.

Since the conservatives in my country have no platform other than "My opponent is terrible!" they should be disqualified .. but aren't.

The way to fight the 2 party system, starts at the grass roots and grows upwards, you can Not fight it from the top down.

Oh man, the fucking sass in the comments of this post. You're all so passionate about these things.

.... And almost all of the arguments are whataboutisms. It's a fucking race to the bottom with everyone.

All I'm going to say is that not voting is not a valid way to protest. That's excluding yourself from the process, and letting others decide for you. Just go vote. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, just go do it. Have your voice heard.

I realize this years vote for Americans will very likely turn into a competition of who is less bad of an option, but you need to still go out and cast a ballot. Please just do it. Please!

This is asinine. Trump has literally threatened to use dictatorial methods on his first day in office.

It's like approaching Hitler and Joe Rogan in the same room but you've only got one bullet. And instead of using it, you just walk away talking about how they both suck. Like, kill fucking Hitler, what are you doing?

It would be so much better if we just had rank choice voting

A lot of my American friends are buying into this both sides thing, they say prices are up and the democrats aren't doing enough to deal with the climate so neither really care about anything...

I've been an eco obsessive since the 90s so to me it's painfully clear the night and day difference between the two parties, trying to explain it is so hard because they've got their talking points like more drilling under Biden than Trump but when you try to talk about the lag effects related to leased land it's all just hand waved away - they've seen people talking about it as true and not mentioning that lease sales are at all time lows which will result in significantly less permits in future years so it's 'Biden bad, end of story.' Saying 'they say there'll be less but they say anything, they said there would be less now' totally ignoring the logic of the argument.

Right wing psychological experts plan these talking points and seed them, the left falls for them every time it's so frustrating.

I think part of the problem is people want the world to be simple, the immigration issue is another thing a lot of my left voting friends are struggling with at the moment, blaming the housing crisis on immigration for example then I point out immigrants working construction is super common and they say why don't they work instead of being put up in hotels so I say there's a complex process involved in getting a right to work designed to protect American jobs and many are rejected and returned to their country of origin without obtaining this right... but again 'it's super complex and messy but they're trying to improve things' is easily shrugged off just like with the climate argument by saying 'they only say they're trying, trying means nothing only actions matter'

The problem is the two parties play totally different games with totally different objectives. One is trying to tangle a ball of yarn into.a mess and the other is attempting to untangle it and knit a cardigan.

We had a brief chance to elect Sanders and we failed. Hillary gave us Trump.

Class solidarity, I bet those terms are well received by democrats

As bad as establishment candidates tend to be, trump is far far worse. The problem with the trump supporters is they boil everything down to "X bad, so not X good!" Trump was an outsider which is why they supported him, but just being an outsider doesn't automatically make you good, and in his case he's far worse.