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The European Union announced a โ‚ฌ7.4 funding package and an upgraded relationship with Egypt on Sunday, part of a push to stem migrant flows to Europe criticised by rights groups.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How about not funding dictatorships? Get frontex to solve it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Frontex tastes bad. Too many drowning poors to be palatable for our consciousness.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Still far less deaths than funding dictatorships...

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

FCK Frontex and the idea of Fortress Europe. The make the Mediterranean Sea a mass grave.

Europe doesn't have a migration problem, it has an integration problem.
Demographic changes affect the whole continent. We need migration to keep pension funds and healthcare insurance alive.
We just completely failed to integrate migrants into society, fight poverty (especially among the youth) and offer chances to grow and self realize.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We don't need more people we need less and when we take everyone from developing countries, they will get problems as well.

I agree we have a integration problem for the most part, but that is also caused by illigal immigration and shitty politics regarding the issue.

Mediterranean sea is btw already a mass grave, frontex escorting them back to where they started doesn't make a difference at all.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

when we take everyone from developing countries

Just pointing out that this is a straw-man, and that discussions get better without them.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just pointing out that the above comment is utter trash and useless as hell.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I was wondering if I had to go into why straw-men are bad for a discussion, but figured odds were likely you already knew. But assuming the goal is to find common ground and/or convince other people, then including straw-men makes those people assume you're not understanding their point, and then dismissing the rest of whatever you're trying to say.

I hope it's more useful now.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile the German economy needs a migration of an extra 400.000 working age people to maintain its workforce and not have the economy shrink because of lacking workers. The effect is even more severe for the health insurance and pension insurance as their costs grow while income shrinks from people retiring.

EDIT: The 400.000 extra immigrants need to be there every year. So 4.000.000 people over the next decade.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Germany can probably drag in people from poorer EU members. That'd probably be more popular in Germany than immigration from outside the EU, but doing that transfers German demographic problems to those states when they already have their own demographic problems. If it's a big problem for Germany, it's gonna be an even bigger problem for Bulgaria to deal with on top of existing Bulgarian problems.

With EU total fertility rates as low as they are, the EU is very probably gonna have to accept a considerable chunk of immigration from outside the EU if it intends to maintain its position. Can choose the source to some degree, but it's gotta happen one way or another.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Germany can probably drag in people from poorer EU members.

Nope. At least not enough. Foreign workers rather go to other countries than Germany.

That'd probably be more popular in Germany than immigration from outside the EU,

Also no. Those who agitate against migration do so against all migration, even refugees from Ukraine. Nazis do Nazi things.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Part of the issue is that Germany needs a lot of skilled workers, and the qualifications of immigrants from poorer countries are often not accepted. Of course, Germany has a hard time attracting skilled workers because the wages aren't that good and the immigration-related bureaucracy is a huge pain in the ass.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Europe needs to do far more to stop these economic migrants.

Australia put everyone coming over illegally on an island until they got processed then sent them back. Crossings went way down.

The human right laws were not built with this level of exploitation in mind and need changing.

[โ€“] CAVOK 1 points 10 months ago

They also pay about $3.5M per migrant per year, so it's not cheap. I assume they think it's worth it.