Look how Fatah can't do anything in west bank to protect palestinian againdt settlers. It's Israel puppet.
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I'd rather be in the West Bank than Gaza right now so whatever Fatah does or doesn't do, it's way better than what Hamas caused in Gaza.
Yeah but no resistance at all is not great either
Hamas didn't cause anything in Gaza. Israel is causing Genocide in Gaza.
An argument could be made that Hamas' actions in Israel provoked Israel's reaction in Gaza.
Which provoked Hamas' actions in Israel...
Which provoked Israel's reaction in Gaza...
Lather, rinse, repeat back to the beginning of Israel and Gaza.
I actually prefer forgetting about all the history. It provides some context, but really, it doesn't matter. I've learned a lot about the history in the last four months and it changes absolutely nothing about this Genocide.
Even if Hamas did the literal Holocaust, it wouldn't give israel the right to mass murder uninvolved Palestinians, especially since there's no acute danger. We didn't mass murder all Germans after WW2 either.
We didn’t mass murder all Germans after WW2 either.
In Dresden fire bombings, about as many people died in a single bombing operation spanning about 2 days as have died in the Gaza war so far. Note that Gaza's population density is roughly 10x Dresden's current population density.
And the Gaza war hasn't ended yet.
"Don't fight your oppressors cause they may fight back." -losers
Firstly, Fatah are being cowardly as hell here.
Secondly, maybe stop posting jpost on this sub because it's pretty much Israeli state media
Blames Hamas for israel committing Genocide.
Are they trying as hard as possible to lose all their public support? Fatah being an israeli puppet regime has never been a secret but they're not hiding it very well.
Remember that Hamas and Fatah were opposing parties in the Palestinian political landscape. When Hamas won the election in 2005, it was very clear who the West preferred. Fatah criticizing Hamas is nothing new, and in fact is in line with what to expect, given western support is conditional on them condemning Hamas.
I feel like this paints Hamas in a much more forgiving light that it deserves. Hamas "won" the election after a violent campaign of intimidation and even then only by a plurality. While Fatah has many flaws, it's not a religio-fascist organization prone to arbitrary violent cruelty. Yes, Fatah criticizing Hamas is nothing new, but more because they're fundamentally opposed groups than Western preferences.
EDIT: It's been pointed out to me that I was wrong about the context of Hamas' election and sources seem to back this up. While Hamas IS a violent religio-fascist organization, its violence against its electorate and opposition parties did not escalate until a few years after they were elected to a clear majority.
Is this true? Where can I read about this intimidation campaign?
It seems to be inconsistent with election monitoring statements at the time.
It seemed obvious to us and other observers that the election was orderly and peaceful and that there was a clear preference for Hamas candidates even in historically strong Fatah communities. Even so, we were all surprised at the enormity of the Hamas victory.
Thanks there is so much misinformation flying with respect to this conflict it can be hard to make sense of things. But the fact that several respected authors I had read on this election did not mention it made me skeptical.
A fact is that Hamas stopped elections after gaining power. They're fascists and it's absurd that the left defends them.
I would not say “the left” as a whole defends them although there are some small factions that do.
I feel like you’re trying to gotcha me here but I’m not trying to defend Hamas, just help people understand the real history. False claims demonizing various groups and then generalized to whole ethnicities are a major cause of violence around this issue right now.
If people understood the real history, they would see that this conflict, like all conflicts has nuance to it and the various actors are all just people, not inhuman demons. This understanding will be key if we want to achieve a lasting peace.
You're a liar.
In the 25 January 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas won 74 or 76 seats of the 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council, an absolute majority. Fatah only won 43, four seats went to independents supporting Hamas.[187] The elections were judged by international observers to have been "competitive and genuinely democratic". The EU said that they had been run better than elections in some member countries of the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#2006_legislative_elections
It's sad you have all those upvotes while spouting lies, but it's another reason why what's upvoted is not necessarily correct.
Maybe the upvotes have nothing to do with the statement about how Hamas was elected, which is frankly not that interesting, and everything to do with the fact that the commenter correctly identified Hamas as a religio-fascist organization. You can disagree without calling someone a liar. It is more conducive to conversation to assume that someone is mistaken or has different information than you do. Calling someone a liar is contrary to the spirit of good faith debate.
Calling someone a liar is contrary to the spirit of good faith debate.
Lol, what? If someone is lying, then calling them out on it is good for debate.
Just going along with it is bad for debate. You got things backwards, bub.
It's okay, though. I suspect you're just a tribalist who twists his head in knots to do whatever will make you look good in front of the tribe.
I see it all the time and don't expect more from you people at this point.
No, calling someone a liar is making an assumption about their intentions, which, in most cases, you do not know.
Sure, when you hear false statements from a public figure all the time, like Trump for example, you can eventually have enough data to conclude that he is a liar. Do you have that kind of data on the commenter you replied to? No? Well, then it is more appropriate to assume they are mistaken. At least in English, calling someone a liar is very, very aggressive.
Hey man, believe whatever you want and discuss however you please.
I disagree with what you're saying and stand by my previous assertions.
Have a nice day.
No, you're obviously a liar.
Anyway, you being a silly dickhead aside, I corrected my post because it turns out that you were at least correct about the context of the elections. It's a good thing I'm more interested in getting clear and contextually correct information out there or you being such a shit head might've caused me to dig my heels in deeper, which literally would be counter to your purported intent (though I suspect you just want to be right and yell at people, and don't give a shit at all about much beyond that). Have a shit day. :)
Yeah. Your personal attacks make you seem very credible and reasonable.
I'm sorry you're so angry that I called you out for lying. Maybe in the future you shouldn't lie so you don't get called out on it.
Yea, certainly seems like you have no sincere interest in this issue but are just another buzzard. Gross.
Hamas was a protest vote because Fatah is basically letting israel govern and terrorize you.
As we can observe from the West Bank, Fatah lets israel do terrorism in hospitals and helps israel arrest anyone fighting back against the illegal occupation.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The accusations came in response to Hamas’s critique of the appointment of new Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Mustafa, described as a close partner of President Mahmoud Abbas.
Hamas said this appointment was an “individual decision,” claiming that the PA is “being preoccupied with formal steps devoid of substance,” and arguing that the new Palestinian government would lack national consensus.
“And did Hamas consult the Palestinian leadership that is now negotiating with Israel and offering it concessions after concessions, which have no goal other than securing guarantees of personal security for its leadership to receive, and to try to reach an agreement with [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu to maintain its divisive role in Gaza and the Palestinian arena?” it asked.
Fatah also wondered why they and their families fled Gaza and left the Palestinian people to face a “brutal war of extermination” without any protection.
Hamas has shown increased popularity in the Palestinian street, recording major successes in local and student elections.
According to a poll conducted by Khalil Shikaki during the temporary ceasefire of December 2023, the terrorist group has enjoyed more popularity since the October 7 massacre.
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Jpost is unreliable for anything regarding Palestine/Israel-related.
Next Gaza Gang Wars
Westbank Side Story.