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Most of the victims killed on October 7th was killed by the IDF (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by jimmydoreisalefty to c/[email protected]

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@SocialistMMA

Most of the victims killed on October 7th was killed by the IDF

Everything they told you about Hamas and October 7 was a lie and I don’t think people can wrap their minds around that

@HotSpotHotSpot

Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit has conducted an exhaustive review of videos, photographs, and witness testimony, finding that most of the victims killed on October 7th were actually mowed down by IDF Apache helicopters

Direct video, should work for a bit:

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1767211466271121408/vid/avc1/480x270/DAYC787kjwQY7B5l.mp4?tag=17

Source of video:

INVIDIOUS link, due to login req'd] Al Jazeera investigation finds Israeli military likely involved in October 7 'friendly fire' deaths [8:32 | Mar 10 20243 | Al Jazeera English]

https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=8-jhoAs_O-g

An Al Jazeera investigation has found that some Israeli citizens who died in the October 7 attacks last year were almost certainly killed by the Israeli military. The Investigative Unit has conducted an exhaustive review of videos, photographs, witness testimony and other evidence from the day. It concluded that Israeli civilians - being held captive - were fired on by helicopter gunships attacking cars returning to Gaza. Al Jazeera Peter Charley reports.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Al Jazeera is run by Qatar. Qatar funds Hamas.

Think about your sources, this is literally just Hamas propaganda.

[–] PP_BOY_ 31 points 11 months ago

Inb4 you get downvoted.

Being pro-Palestine is not Pro-Hamas.

[–] HappycamperNZ 14 points 11 months ago

While the narrative pushes towards anti-isralei there is also a significant chance of fact behind this.

I will happily call out misinformation and bias (not naming any democracynow.org or middle east eye that dominate lemmy posts in particular) but the information discussed here does also play a part in the wider picture. Propaganda goes both ways but what are the clear facts of the issue.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer 8 points 11 months ago

Netanyahu funds Hamas

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No better or worse than our legacy medias bias...

Did you miss all the propaganda US media (World media) pushed when October 7th happended?

I would suggest to stop falling for this narrative and think for yourself when you watch or read what is being said, do not just look at the legacy media side.

We all know US media is heavily propagandized on subjects that do not follow the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Well it's a good thing we have you here to share your particular brand of enlightenment with us.

[–] HappycamperNZ 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yup, and lemmy is massively biased against Israel- look at the numbers of democracynow and Middle East Eye articles that come up here.

I've literally been downvoted because I questioned two paragraph articles that have generic names and no author.

[–] bouh 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's blatantly wrong. If you see articles supporting Palestine these days, it's because there's an actual genocide supported by the US and Europe there.

[–] HappycamperNZ -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And where did you find that information?

Was it balanced articles that discussed facts?

[–] bouh 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The whole UN is saying it. The only one denying it are Israel and its direct supports : US and EU. And even in the EU countries are calling for moderation and help corridors. Even the US is mounting an operation to bring food by boat in Palestine because Israel is going to starve them all to death.

Right now you must be blind and deaf to ignore the dying of the people of Palestine. That or you are a fascist who doesn't care about genocide.

[–] HappycamperNZ 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or just looking at the actual facts.

UN.org lists humanitarian crisis, and a number of steps that both sides must take to reduce suffering.

UNSC vetoed the resolution calling for a ceasefire.

Israeli has broken 28 UN resolutions.

The ICJ report (a beautifully written, well balanced report) calls on Israeli to prevent acts of its forces that can amount to genocide, and calls for conflict to cease so they can be investigated openly and honestly. It also calls on Hamas to release all hostages immediately, stop placing civilians in firing line, and allow aid through, yet only two words discussed from it by most articles is "Israel" and "genocide".

ICJ report also discusses court actions on Israeli defense and justification of acts, including aid being stolen by Hamas for their military use rather than reaching civilians. Dont have an update on these.

UNSC is also being pressed to get Hamas to release all hostages immediately.

Please don't start crap about the whole UN saying it, or that it's all one-sided. This is exactly why both sides of a story need to come out, why reporters need to discuss facts not opinion, and why the inherent bias in lemmy.world is soo concerning. Does Israel have alot to answer for - absolutely. But the facts are being lost in the propaganda.

Interestingly, I discussed in another comment what I believed should be done with both Israeli and Palestinian militants that are committing war crime/ crime against humanity respectively, and my comment was deleted for inciting violence. People are happy to harp on about war crime, but discussing the historical punishment for it (that should absolutely apply here as well) is too much.

[–] bouh 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you pretending that what's happening in Palestine is fine? Is this what you're saying?

If that's the case, you are litteraly a monster with no care whatsoever for human lives.

[–] HappycamperNZ 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So I say that there is a massive humanitarian crisis that both sides are responsible for, that evidence is stating neither side has taken steps to help, that actions of both sides need to be investigated, and that there is a massive bias against telling the full story to push agenda.... and you believe I am saying everything is fine.

Projection much

[–] bouh 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is there to investigate when Israel is litteraly sieging Gaza? Oh yes, Egypt is accomplice too, because they also have a border. Still, they are starving the population, there's nothing to investigate there. EU and US gave full support to Israel, nothing to investigate either, it's straight fact. US is vetoing anything the UN want to do. That's fact too. What do you want to investigate?

[–] HappycamperNZ 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fact you believe their is nothing to investigate tells me you have no knowledge of intl conflict, LOAC, Geneva convention, or capable of identifying quality sources and bias.

I cant explain because you are missing soo much content. I suggest you start with the Red Cross on what constitutes war crime, followed by the ICJ Feb report.

[–] bouh 0 points 11 months ago

Hiding behind laws and words. You're the best support to fascism there can be.

I don't care about laws and stuff. There wasn't any need for anything for US and EU to support Ukraine. There wasn't any need for investigation to send a war fleet in the red see to protect the merchant ships against the houti. And there wasn't any investigation before Israel sent its army to raze Gaza.

Your technicalities are irrelevant. And you pretending its more important than 2 million people dying is literal evil.

[–] DoYouNot 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I can't find any of this on Al Jazeera...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I usually find Al Jazeera quite trustworthy, but this sounds like a conspiracy theory. If they have actual proof, I'd be very interested.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -5 points 11 months ago

I included the OG video in the body of the post:

Source of video:

INVIDIOUS link, due to login req’d] Al Jazeera investigation finds Israeli military likely involved in October 7 ‘friendly fire’ deaths [8:32 | Mar 10 20243 | Al Jazeera English]

https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=8-jhoAs_O-g

An Al Jazeera investigation has found that some Israeli citizens who died in the October 7 attacks last year were almost certainly killed by the Israeli military. The Investigative Unit has conducted an exhaustive review of videos, photographs, witness testimony and other evidence from the day. It concluded that Israeli civilians - being held captive - were fired on by helicopter gunships attacking cars returning to Gaza. Al Jazeera Peter Charley reports.

[–] trashgirlfriend 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

SocialistMMA is a dumbass and every time he writes something you can be sure the opposite is true

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I sorry to hear that you have that opinion of another human being.

I hope it is not due to having different politicial or social goals he strives for, if it is, I hope you can learn to talk to people that think differently than you.

Have a good day!

[–] trashgirlfriend 5 points 11 months ago

The kremlin isn't sending their best