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Protests in New Zealand denounce government’s complicity in genocide in Gaza (www.wsws.org)

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[–] Aceticon 3 points 8 months ago

It's interesting how the governments showing themselves as the most racist if all by supporting a genocide being commit along etnic lines and parroting the most racist takes possible (the racist myth of racial guilt were Palestinians are guilty for the action so Hams, the racist idea that all jews support Israel hence critcism of Israel is anti-semitic al9ng wuth the racist idea that action by Jews should be judged differently because of their etnicity) are almost anglo-saxon (the big exception being Germany, but then again Germany & Racism are the greatest iconic duo ever).

I blame the heavy, heavy use of a certain kind of propaganda in those nations, the same that gave rise to Trumpism and Brexiters.

[+] harderian729 -24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not big surprise, new zealanders tend to be incredibly xenophobic and racist.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, did you RTFM? The protests were against continuing to support Netanyahu.

[+] harderian729 -12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes... they were protesting their government's support.

Meaning their government currently supports it.

Why does this need to be spelled out for you all?

[–] Viking_Hippie 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why does this need to be spelled out for you all?

Because you seem to be arguing from a ridiculous assumption that the government is more representative of people from New Zealand in general than the people protesting its support for a genocidal apartheid regime.

[+] harderian729 -7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Really? The people in power are more representative than those without it?

Who would have thought? Lol.

[–] Viking_Hippie 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: while the rest of the people get to choose which of the options to vote for, they don't get to choose the options. Besides, it's not like the majority of the people elected to the NZ government ran on a platform of "let's help good ol' Bibi commit genocide.

Unconditional support for the Israeli government is one of the many things most Western governments do against the will of the majority of the people to not get on the bad side of the US global hegemony.

Like when the countries go to war, the people don't get a say. It's not how democracy is supposed to work, but that's how it is right now.

[+] harderian729 -7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that New Zealand's government is representative of their people.

It's not like they have a dictatorship, lol.

[–] Viking_Hippie 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Miss me with that ridiculous false dichotomy.

There's a shitload of room between "dictatorship" and "everything the government does is perfectly in line with what the majority of the people want them to do."

This is clearly an example of the government not being perfectly representative while also not being a dictatorship.

[+] harderian729 -6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is clearly an example of the government not being perfectly representative while also not being a dictatorship.

Because some people are protesting? Lol.

[–] Viking_Hippie 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That IS the main method to express that you're not satisfied with the actions of those more powerful than yourself, yes.

Edit: and also because 60% said so back in November and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the percentage would have decreased since then rather than the opposite.

[–] harderian729 -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They're a minority, which means their government represents people other than them first.

Those 'other people' are the ones I'm referring to. You know, the ones who put this government in power.

My initial statement applies to them, which are the majority of New Zealanders since they are a democracy.

You're genuinely arguing 'minorities represent the majority' which is intrinsically false.

[–] Viking_Hippie 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They're a minority

Expressing a majority opinion, see my edit of my previous reply.

which means their government represents people other than them first.

Not when their opinion is in line with that of a significant majority of the population

You're genuinely arguing 'minorities represent the majority' which is intrinsically false.

Nope, you're the one doing that by pretending that the minority group known as The Government automatically only makes decisions that their voters agree with.

Btw, the current government coalition was voted in by a total of 37.23% of those eligible to vote (51.72% of votes cast with 72% voter participation), NOT the majority of the population.

[–] harderian729 -4 points 8 months ago

There you go arguing it again, lol.

I'm done. Have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not big surprise, new zealanders tend to be incredibly xenophobic and racist.

Okay?

You are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that New Zealand's government is representative of their people.

You mean, tbeir government is racist too?

It's not like they have a dictatorship, lol.

Shut it. If only socio-politics is that simple.

edit: wow, it's not that I care. But this person won't waste a second to downvote every comment that doesn't agree with them.