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I don't care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the "blue vs green bubble" drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn't Android's fault for not being compatible with it.

The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I also don't like Android. But well, Linux phones are still lagging behind, which is a shame, or else I would have gone for one.

[–] JusticeForPorygon 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Isn't android built off Linux?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

It technically is, but "Linux" in Android's case is meant as the kernel.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

In a rather unorthodox way, yes.

Android is one of those rare examples of a Linux kernel not being paired with GNU tools. I believe Android wrote their own versions of all the tools they wanted.

The kernel is also extremely locked down by default. They very intentionally designed the OS in such a way that every facet of the kernel is kept abstracted away from you. It's about as black-boxed as you can get, to the point where the fact that it's Linux underneath is almost meaningless.

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[–] Mr_Blott 57 points 4 months ago (5 children)

"blue vs green bubble" drama is a thing

Ha ha ha in one single country full of narcissistic idiots

😂

I promise it's not a thing, mate

[–] thorbot 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah nobody actually gives a shit about that except zoomers and news stations pretending like it’s a thing

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (25 children)

I've owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I'll switch back again. It's not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.

[–] thorbot 10 points 4 months ago

What? How dare you go against the Lemmy hivemind. Apple bad remember?

Sent from my iPhone

[–] Mango 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] hperrin 30 points 4 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

At least there's choice with Android. I'd much rather it was possible for FOSS phones to actually exist but in the meantime the lock-in with Apple is an absolute non-starter, as is basically everything about their UX philosophy.

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[–] hibsen 30 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's really weird that this is what you imagine when someone buys something from a giant corporation that isn't your preferred giant corporation.

For like the fiftieth time, no one that matters cares what phone you bought, what OS it runs, or what color your texts are on other phones you didn't buy. As a person that keeps buying iPhones, I don't care what you buy. Please feel free to stop caring what I buy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

My sentiments exactly. I cannot possibly fathom wasting mental energy on such a mundane thing.

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[–] EdibleFriend 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As a person who has never owned anything but android...you can't possibly think Google is any less evil.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (8 children)

https://slrpnk.net/comment/6754380 Nobody is forcing me to buy their phones or their stock version of android though. A lot of people manage to live just fine with fully de-googled roms, installable even on google's own phones.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As an Android user, Android phones with Google Play Services are no better - in fact I'd say they're probably worse

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago (9 children)

No at least you can side loade and install other app stores out of the box with android. It`s far from perfect but still way better.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (14 children)

"blue vs green bubble" drama

is not real... it's some bullshit marketing thing... nobody cares what kind of phone you have

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It absolutely is real.

Source: my own experience for the last four years

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Then you are hanging around with highschool kids that care what shoes you wear. I guaranty nobody working and living a proper life gives a shit on text bubble colours

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There is plenty to criticize about Apple when it comes to anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices...

But if you're gonna talk on the level of "evil" and "freedom", Apple's greatest sin is their supply chain.

And then there's Google, whose evil I would place somewhere between [Apple’s] pseudo-monopoly and [Apple’s] pseudo-slavery. At least Apple is a tech company. Google is a surveillance company that just happens to make tech so they can monitor you more closely.

Working with the shared-space AR APIs in iOS and Android really drove home the difference in their priorities. The iOS SDK only allowed us to share AR data through a local, SDK-managed connection. The data is opaque, can't be directly serialized, and doesn't work anyway if you try to persist/distribute it yourself. Android, on the other hand... They wanted us to upload your AR data to Google-owned servers, where they could do Google-knows-what with the scans of your living room.

It's sad that we're at a point where you have to either pay for your privacy, or pay with your privacy. But we can at least not be naive about it. Android is more interoperable, more prolific, and more lenient with third-party code. And that's because it's a good strategy if you're a surveillance giant. Not because it's good for consumers.

Edit:

Got a couple of comments that are like "Um, actually, Apple is still subject to government surveillance and exploits".

Let me be clear: You should not expect any off-the-shelf product to shield you from intelligence agencies and state-sponsored hackers. You will have to radically change your life to accomplish that, and "Apple or Google?" won't even be a relevant question for you.

And I'm not saying Apple doesn't do shady monitoring for their own commercial purposes.

All I'm saying is that Google's core business model is shady monitoring, and that directly influences their decisions regarding Android. So painting it as the commoner's hero against the greedy walled-garden warden is a dangerous proposition.

There are no good guys here.

There's some hardware, SDKs, and back-end services that you can evaluate on their own merits if you're capable.

But if you want to just look at business practices:

  • There's one company that doesn't want to integrate with anything outside of their own products -- because that's good for their bottom line.
  • And there's one company that wants to integrate with anything and everything -- because that's good for their bottom line.

Don't assume the difference is benevolence.

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[–] Clent 19 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it's iPhone users doing the same.

Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.

As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don't post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I don't get why people always bring up the "drama" of the bubble color on iphone texts. That "drama"was overblown. I've never met anyone who actually cares if another person's using a different type of phone than them. Those people have got to be such a small minority of the population (and likely have a huge overlap with the ones that are just crap people already.) At this point bringing up the bubble colors is just a convenient way to fill out a dull argument.

[–] Alk 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I've seen people get legitimately bullied for it. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's a minority among all demographics.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

The corporate oligarchy of unmerica working exactly as designed, divide and conquer

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (7 children)

They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren't good enough yet. Guess I'll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.

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[–] Nurgle 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Bottom should be: "I don't think about anyone but myself"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I don't think about you at all.

And that's the problem.

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[–] blattrules 9 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I used to push android over iOS until a few years ago when Google became just as bad as Apple, if not worse. I’ve been trying to steadily get rid of Google products that they’re probably just going to either stop supporting or discontinue altogether, or gradually reduce features that I use every day. I switched over to an iPhone because it offers better privacy and allows for ad blockers without having to root your phone. I don’t have any desire to go back even though I still think the android interface makes more sense for me. I also don’t care what color someone’s bubble is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

May I ask what do you mean by android not allowing ad blockers? You can set up a private DNS and set it to one that blocks ads. A very simple thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I cant be the only one who dreams of apple and all their pattents becoming foss.

Itl never happen under capitalism but damn would it be nice.

[–] chaosppe 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nu uh, iPhone is going to cure world hunger. Why do you think he's called Tim COOK?

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[–] paddirn 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m pretty much roped in at this point within their ecosystem, it all just talks together and works most of the time. Possibly I’ll regret it at some point in time when my secret history of browsing Margaret Thatcher furry porn is exposed to the world as punishment for criticizing the newest Apple Butt Plug attachment, but for now it just works better than the alternatives that I’ve seen.

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