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[–] shyguyblue 87 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The body tends to do that when you beat the shit out of it over the course of days.

Blood clots at the damage point, more beatings break up the clot, platelets gonna platelet and boom, thrombosis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If that would have been the case, the moment the body was given to the mother we would have seen photos of his "beaten up" cadaver on every newpaper in a matter of minutes. Instead we only got minor articles saying "the body was given to the mother" and that's it. I know this goes against the current "everything that goes against Putin is true" way of thinking, but creating conspiracy theories based on wishful thinking only helps Putin make his points against the "western propaganda".

[–] Bennettiquette 4 points 11 months ago

“you may not like it, but this is what peak reason looks like”.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Being unjustly confined in a prison is still a direct contributing cause to a stroke or pulmonary embolism. There's a reason they still make folks in solitary in the US do "yard time."

[–] NightAuthor 42 points 11 months ago

lol, I think you mean that there’s a reason they’re supposed to give them yard time

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Naturally or with help from the outside?

[–] SkyezOpen 32 points 11 months ago

Naturally. If you oppose putin, the natural result is death.

/s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

A blood clot doesn't mean there is no foul play. There are plenty of poisons that cause clotting: https://go.drugbank.com/categories/DBCAT000113 - including some that are snake venom components.

It could also be a consequence of prolonged confinement without much movement. It could also be an eventual consequence of the 2020 poisoning (there is no evidence that Novichok specifically or mild poisoning with other acetylcholinesterase inhibitors causes clots; however, severe poisoning causes respiratory paralysis which causes hypoxia, and that can cause platelet and vascular dysfunction/damage that increases the risk of thrombosis. Not many people ever have been poisoned with Novichok and survived, so the exact sequelae are uncertain).

Now, there is a question of whether the FSB would want to do a subtle execution or an ambiguous one. They did attempt an obvious one in 2020, given it involved an agent which is clearly associated with the Russian government (although perhaps if he hadn't made it overseas, that would have never come out). Since then, perhaps Putin and the FSB have less incentive to be brazen. If they didn't want to send a message, they could have just kept Navalny alive. But maybe ambiguous was a compromise they wanted - it keeps would-be dissidents fearful, but provides the cover of plausible deniability for those who would criticise the killing of a political opponent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Clots can also be caused by injuries. I'm not saying he was beaten or anything but I would be surprised if he wasn't at some point, probably repeatedly, and possibly recently.

[–] jordanlund 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Badeendje 13 points 11 months ago

A blood clot from earlier trauma is a possibility. These prisons are known for their brutal regimes, especially against political dissidents.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Why is this news being given by Ukraine's intelligence chief? I would assume we'd get it from another vector.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

That’s a weird way to spell ‘executed’.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies -2 points 11 months ago

What an absolutely believable conclusion announced by an absolutely credible organization that has no motivation except to publish the unvarnished truth.