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US threatens to veto new Gaza ceasefire resolution at UN Security Council (edition.cnn.com)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Over the last week, President Biden has had multiple calls with Prime Minister Netanyahu, as well as the leaders of Egypt and Qatar, to push this deal forward. Though gaps remain, the key elements are on the table,” the ambassador said.

I don't believe we know exactly what's been said in those calls, but we do know that Netanyahu has been publicly telling Biden that he's not going to budge...

In her statement Saturday, Thomas-Greenfield called on the UN Security Council to instead ensure “any action we take in the coming days increases pressure on Hamas to accept the proposal on the table”

Ah, so really, the goal is to make Hamas fold, not to make Netanyahu be reasonable. Got it.

[–] Nudding 4 points 9 months ago

Genocide Joe is fully on board, and has been since the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Were fucking doomed. Someone has been playing 4 dimensional chess planning for this shit to take down Joe Biden. Maybe I'm paranoid, but at this point, seriously?!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There was a conspiracy theory back in October that Putin was behind it, with the goal of drawing US military aid and general sentiment away from Ukraine. If that ended up being the case, and he got this as a free bonus, I'd feel pretty disgusted with all of us.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not an unreasonable theory. He is former KGB/GRU if I'm not mistaken.

[–] Mr_Blott 7 points 9 months ago

The amount of dipshit comments you see on Lemmy, "Hurr Durr Putin is so stoopid"

Fuck me, that guy might be insane, but he's vastly cleverer than any daft propaganda-swallowing numpty on the internet

You don't work your way up through KGB and GRU to become the president of a country if you eat fuckin crayons for breakfast 😂

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Take THAT Netanyahu! If you don't stop murdering innocent men women and children the US will VETO a Ceasefire Resolution that would require you to STOP murdering these innocent people! Take THAT!

[–] dirtySourdough 5 points 9 months ago

The United Nations collectively minus the US: "The situation in Gaza is fucked and Israel needs to de escalate so innocent Palestinians can survive."

The US: "Well we have specialized interests here and if we can't have our way I guess a few more innocent Palestinians will have to die."

[–] Rapidcreek 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if anyone is going to suggest hostages be released before this ceasefire takes place.

[+] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[+] Rapidcreek -9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then I guess a ceasefire will have to wait until Hamas murders all of them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At this point, more have been killed by Israel.

The only thing that worked was negotiation. Pretending any of this is about releasing hostages just makes it clear you either haven't been paying attention, or more likely, don't actually have that as a primary goal.

[–] Rapidcreek -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's not pretending. Asking Israel to stop the conflict without demanding Hamas's release of hostages is not only absurd but also unjust. Unless the goal is not a ceasefire but to let Hamas win by any means possible

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

it's not pretending. Asking Israel to stop the genocide and slaughter of children.

There, fixed that for you.

What justice exists for the tens of thousands of west bank civilians held under military detention without trial? Are they not hostages? Or do only Israelis deserve to be called hostages?

The only absurdity here is a blood soaked baby murder justifying fuck using the word justice.

I repeat again: the only thing that worked for the Israelis to secure the release of their people was negotiation. So, how many hospitals do you want destroyed for 'justice'? How many orphaned children do you want to undergo amputations without anesthesia? How many tent camps bombed? How many people do you want to die of starvation with bellies full of grass as sick fuck Israelis hold a rave in front of the trucks full of food so the trucks can't enter?

What percentage of the Gazan population must die before your blood list is slaked? It's already over 1% and well on is way to 2.

Again, the only thing that worked was negotiation. So using the hostages as a justification for the continued slaughter is probably just a pathetic attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

Never Again meant nothing to you, obviously.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I gotta ask, how does 1 or 2% equal genocide. If you left that word out, your points would be more meaningful. I skipped all of what you said the first time I read that word. Not really sure what caused me to give it a second look. But most people won't. And the rest of your points are good ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because Genocide is a process, not an outcome. Literally. That is what the ICJ is going by, and why they found Israel is plausibly committing genocide.

Finally, the starvation is the real fucking kicker, as it is in most genocides. It just takes awhile to kick in. It takes awhile for food stores to deplete when you cut off access to food, then it takes about a month, give or take, for the first people to die, then it really starts to ramp up fast. The first Gazan's died from starvation this last week.

Also, almost like it is a well known fact and useful for the people implementing the starvation, children die first in those conditions.

That 1 to 2 percent was the result of active killing from things like bombs, artillery, tank fire, and sniper fire. These are the most inefficient forms of killing an undesirable population.

A good rule of thumb is that any government withholding food, medicine, and potable water to a population that government considers undesirable is a government intentionally committing genocide. It's not the official definition, but it works well for a shorthand.

[–] Rapidcreek -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're so concerned with jingoistic rhetoric you forget the end goal is a ceasefire and it has to be a positive for both parties.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Okay, so what is the positive for the people of Gaza? An end to child murder?

An end to genocide?

Genocide encouragers such as yourself don't get to use the word jingoistic.

One of us is arguing for an unconditional end to genocide.

The other believes genocide can be justified with the right words.

Tell me, what does Never Again mean to you?

[–] Rapidcreek -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You could go on for days I know. But the bottom line is if Hamas releases no hostages there will be no ceasefire. Rhetoric serves no purpose in achieving the goal of a ceasefire. BTW, a ceasefire means all hostilities cease, not just one party.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What does Never Again mean to you?

Is genocide ever justifiable?

Answer that, but I think you're too much of a coward to do so.

[–] Rapidcreek -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That soapbox of yours is mighty high.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And you're a sick fuck genocide justifier.

Soapboxes don't have to be high at all to be taller than that.

You also didn't answer the questions. Everyone reading this knows why.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Pretty sure Israel has killed them all at this point

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

How many babies do you think it will take? Are you willing to do the killing?