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I am one of these people this text is throwing shade at.

1. I don't think that pitching these as an either-or thing is accurate. You can disrupt the functioning of the economic machinery, while also getting a whole bunch of "undecided" commuters pissed off at you, and doing the latter can undo some of the good effectiveness of the former in accomplishing your goal.

2. Persuading the general public to take climate change seriously and oppose the ones causing it is absolutely an important task. This high-minded contempt for the opinions of the general public because they're not as informed as the golden child who is writing this text is counterproductive.

3. I'm not convinced that a lot of these freeway shutdowns actually are damaging the interests of the planet-destroying ruling classes who according to this they are targeted at. The Battle of Seattle sure as hell disrupted some commuters getting to work, but I don't think anyone could mistake it as being directed anywhere but at the WTO: Their direct representatives directly being able to conduct their specific meetings. That makes the reaction to it very different. If someone started doing some version of that to e.g. Shell Oil, that would sound great. I don't know that much about it, but I suspect that the ultimate economic impact of blocking random freeways on Shell Oil's bottom line is nonexistent.

I'm not trying to be some armchair jerk throwing shade at the people out there trying to make a difference. But yes I don't agree with this.

(Edit: Updated Greenpeace to WTO, a slightly more recent and applicable example.)

blocking off roads is often done to cut off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations

I call BS, this wouldn't affect them in the slightest.

If a post is titled “A reminder on the difference between demonstrations and protests”, then I expect an explanation of what that difference is. I was hoping to be educated, not lectured at.

It really sucks that when you try to get involved, leaders of these orgs seem to expect you to already know how organizing/protesting/demonstrating works.

Don't count out older generations either. GenX has been told our whole lives that we don't have the numbers to matter, so we didn't bother. When the boomer counter-culture protestors of the 60s sold out to money in the 80s, we didn't have the support of an older generation to teach us, either. We'd be more than happy to band together with younger generations who can get us on track.

I'm sorry, but I think in many cases a road block does "just make you look bad". There was growing support for BLM in Massachusetts and it got popped like a ballon when those dumb kids blocked 93N.

Nobody was talking about how the cops dealing with the situation were one of the most racist police organizations outside of the Deep South. They were busy talking about how those dumb kids could be killed and the traffic they caused affected ambulences and some patient almost died.

off supply lines to financial districts or big corporations and put economic pressure on them

Again, using BLM as an example... Don't you want to have those corporations SUPPORTING the BLM movement? I mean, unless your protest is laser-focused on anti-capitalism, hurting businesses for no good reason just alienates the 99% of the population that isn't Tankie.

That same topic about "educating people how to protest" is "pick ONE thing you want to change, or your protest doesn't have a meaningful message". If you're protesting for the environment or protesting for women's or gay or trans or minority rights, you shouldn't be protesting against businesses. You should be recruiting them. I wanna walk into the office (after no traffic jam) and see someone having anonymously put up "Gay rights are human rights" posters everywhere. I want my place of employment to offer to match donations for these causes. Etc.

I think this underestimates the understanding of "protest" opponents. I don't say "blocking roads is a bad idea since it just makes everyone hate you" because I think the people blocking the roads are doing it to be popular and they're simply confused about how to accomplish that. I say it because the people blocking the roads don't actually have the power to effect change through social disruption - their movement is not popular enough to be sufficiently disruptive and so their protests only make it even less popular.

(Plus, social disruption can be a tool of the majority against a government that doesn't represent it, but here we're talking about small minorities trying to weild influence disproportional to their share of the population. I think it's good to structure society in such a way that they can't do that successfully.)

I've been thinking about this in the context of the reaction to MLK at the time and how we look at it today compared to the many protests of recent years, and my conclusion from people talking in here is that we are still falling for the white-washed narrative of what protesting is supposed to look like.

The short of my thoughts is that a demonstration and a protest accomplish two entirely different goals and therefore are to be used in entirely different circumstances. A demonstration may inconvenience people, but it is ultimately about bringing eyes onto the issue and gathering support for your cause. A protest, on the other hand, is to be used after you already have the support of the people. It's the union strike after negotiations have broken down. It's a show of force meant to shock and awe the people in power.

We look today at the sit-ins and marches of the Civil Rights movement, and Rosa Parks refusing to change her seat, and say, "This is how you protest. You are polite and don't upset the populace at large." But, here's the thing: they were already breaking the law by doing these things, and anything more could've seen them killed by cops. And the general populace said the same things then as we are today about the protests. That they were being too disruptive and were driving support away.

Here's what the general public thought of MLK and his "protests" at the time:

Let's take a look in comparison to Greta Thunberg, the Boston I-93 protest, the Million Man March in Washington, and the recent protests in Germany, as the first two were already mentioned in here and make great examples. Greta is a perfect example of a demonstration rather than a protest in my eyes. Brings awareness to the issue, and as others said, is laser focused on causing disruption to the target to bring said awareness without alienating people at large. People know exactly who to blame here, and it isn't Greta. The issue, though, is that this ultimately doesn't create change on its own. The Million Man March, by comparison, was a protest. They shut down an entire city. It was a threat that made white people all over the country afraid. White people thought to themselves, "If they can gather a million people to march in one city, what else can they do."

The recent protests in Germany are another example of a protest used well. The biggest issue with the I-93 stunt was that it was the wrong strategy at the wrong time. It didn't already have the backing of a large portion of the population, and didn't do enough to shake the powers that be. This is the same issue that BLM had in general. It was too disorganized and needed a unified strategy that wouldn't allow the government and corporations to simply wait it out and sweep it under the rug. If you look at the German protests and the Million Man March, both caused far more inconvenience, shutting down sections of cities if not the entirety of the cities themselves, but were much more effective because they had the impetus of the massive support behind them and the size of the crowds they gathered for the protests. They sent a clear message to those in power that the people were upset, and they weren't going to simply let it go. Mere days after the protests, action is already being taken in Germany. It took nearly a decade of demonstrations and protests to get the public support behind the Civil Rights Movement, but it wasn't until after MLK was assassinated that the Civil Rights Act was passed. Years of demonstrations and protests, and 3 full days of burning cities and black people rioting in the streets. The Civil Rights Act was drafted, passed, and signed into law within a week.

These people are insanely stupid if they think any corporation is affected to a degree they would be willing to change their stance on a topic. At best this would be a tiny blip that goes to nothing long term. But what does happen, is the life of working class people on that particular day becomes worse, and ambulances have more traffic to deal with. Do. Not. Block. Traffic. If you want to make a change you make it with votes, that’s what awareness is for.