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Critique (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/politicalmemes

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I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don't, you weren't paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton's campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we're being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election "We're about to get Brexited." I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980's.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They're the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump's mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

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[–] jenny_ball 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

didn't she also illegally sabotage Bernie?

[–] GreatCornolio 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The primaries were rigged against Bernie so the insider's pick would be on the democratic ticket, yes

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

But unfortunately, not illegal because they're a private club, so they can make their own rules.

They literally argued in court it was legal for them to just smoke cigars in back rooms and choose the candidate, and that we should be happy that we even get sham proceedings.

They didn't argue that they didn't tip the scales for Clinton in court because discovery would have shown that wasn't true.

If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table.

They couldn't pound the facts so they pounded the law.

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[–] Delta_V 9 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Critiquing Democrats is not an endorsement of Republicans

OK.
Just be aware that doing so publicly, especially around election time, increases the probability of Republicans getting elected. So ask yourself if its the right time and place - regardless of what your intentions are, what sort of effects will your actions actually cause in the world?

IMO, the best time and place to make your opinion on Democratic policy known is the Democratic primary election and who you choose to help campaign for the primaries.

[–] mmcintyre 10 points 9 months ago

During the democratic primary? So.. like, right freaking now?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How many decades now have democrats been 3 steps less right than Republicans running on nothing but "We're not Republicans?"

They've had plenty of time to get it together but instead they slither further and further right to sate "centrists" (that were never going to vote dem anyway.) Meanwhile, everybody shrieks that dems are the only line between us and fascism as they fascism all over their voters at the dnc and Biden sidesteps congress to fund genocide.

Sounds fascist to me. 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Trump won because he embraced the "fuck it all" voters.

.. and there are a lot of those.

I'd like to see Biden address them, and he probably already did, we just didn't hear about it because the media turned down his microphone years ago. He needs to show his balls on TV to get attention.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, the fallacy where the Republicans are the de facto winners and the election is only up to what the Democrats do.

I mean, yeah, they ran a mediocre campaign, but there is a difference between "critiquing our leaders" and literally campaigning against them, and leftist in general have a hard, hard, HARD time with that one. Critique is for when you're in power. You analize, you apply your newfound political power to create pressure, you postmortem what went wrong. Campaigns are for winning.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

And every year we're told it's "not the time to critique the Democrats" because its "too close to an election."

Dude, I'm pushing fucking fifty and this has been every year of my fucking life with this "this is not the time for critique" shit. When is gonna be a good time to critique them? Because it sure fucking feels like the argument is never or this wouldn't have been going on since fucking Bill Clinton left the Presidency.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

This wasn't even the political climate during the 2016 election. It wasn't the political climate immediately after clinton

In fact I remember people being VERY harsh on democrats during the 2016 election.

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[–] Lonewolfmcquade 5 points 10 months ago

THIS. I feel this. If I could super-upvote, I would. The same argument is deployed towards anyone voting 3rd party. The argument that ranked choice voting is the solution to a lot of problems, is valid. But we are never going to get that either so long as we keep diligently voting for the less evil between two parties. Seems like "never" is the answer to the question of when a lot of imperative, necessary, vital change is going to happen.

Given this dynamic, I can understand how anyone who has been paying attention, becomes disillusioned with our system and votes immorally just to encourage some change, even if it's making things worse. I don't condone it, but I see it happening and I can understand why

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

After an election seems like a good time to discuss what to do differently next time.

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[–] unreasonabro 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

So that presents an interesting perspective. All this shit is happening, then, because some arrogant Republican state officials were miffed Hilary snubbed their state entirely (another profoundly arrogant move, admittedly) and used that and their naive 2015 perspective to essentially doom the entire fucking world to this incredibly horrible shitshow we're all being treated to round 2 of as though it was their right to put it on the schedule.

"Democracy".

Sounds like everyone involved has had their job for entirely too long, no doubt decades too long in some cases.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Hubris may have lead to Clinton’s loss but Trump voters made him win. If the powers that be didn’t fully understand the hostility of voters that lead to Trump’s victory then maybe they are not as smart as they think they are but not actively malicious. Trump is actively malicious and surrounds himself with the same. The Democratic Party may have tipped the scales a bit for Hillary but they also must have thought she would get the most votes and was one of the most qualified candidates from either party. I’m not going to defend the two party system but only one is pushing for ranked choice voting, electing by popular vote, and reducing voting restrictions. Not voting or third party isn’t going to make this any better

[–] FuglyDuck 6 points 10 months ago

The issue here is that Bernie was leading polling (among dems,) and killed the NH primary’s popular vote by a landslide and Iowa caucus was the closest margin in Iowa dem history.

Despite this, the NH superdelegates pledged for Hilary. This performance was in spite of the DNC actively taking steps to harm Bernie’s campaign (cutting access to voter databases; fucking around with debate scheduled).

To be blunt, the DNC fucked America by not nominating the best possible candidate in ‘16.

And they’re doing it again. Biden has all the same weaknesses that Hilary has- and some extra besides. Meanwhile Trump has had 4 years to spin and retcon his bullshit to his base; the memories of his term are less fresh.

He’s weak with the millennial vote (and gen z.)

He’s soft on the black vote: (he opposed busing for desegregation in the 70’s, said he didn’t want his kids going to a racial zoo- or however he said it,); and then there’s the condescending bullshit he dropped “if you vote for Trump ya ain’t black”.

Soft on Latino votes; because his border policies also suck. His first two years he could have had motion but now he’s fucked on it.

Soft in Palestinian and Muslim votes. “Genocide Joe” is a far more apt nickname than anything else Trump has called him.

Biden has consistently opposed abortion (flip flopped in his ‘19 campaign for president. historically voting for restrictions on abortions, and voted to block federal funding for abortion providers.), and let’s be honest, if he wanted RvW as law; he could easily have gotten that done in his first two years.)

Biden is historically soft on LGBTQ rights- voting to ban gay marriage.

While improved from Trump; Biden’s economy still objectively sucks for the vast majority of Americans, 60% of whom are living pay check to pay check. (Which is actually up from Trump’s term; even if it is trumps fault, mostly.)

Inflation is still fucking most Americans; who are consistently being told it’s our fault (asking for wages) despite record-setting profits for corporations.

If you’re being honest with yourself, you’d understand a rapist insurrectionist who has proudly declared he wants to be a dictator is the only candidate that Biden could realistically defeat.

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