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David Chase says 25-year golden period was a ‘blip’ and he is being told to ‘dumb down’ productions.

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[–] sartalon 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's fucking overrated.

Drama for the sake of drama, to continue a storyline is what he started. He wasn't as bad as some others, (looking at you Ozarks), but it gets exhausting watching shows that force develop drama just to pump out another season.

[–] DrMango 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My wife and I watched through The Sopranos recently. One episode per week, the way it was "meant to be viewed." We were both incredibly frustrated with exactly what you describe here: single-episode manufactured drama to keep viewers coming back for the next week. Entirely too often the writers would conjure some conflict at the beginning of an episode only to resolve it at the end with nothing changed. When this happens in any other television we call it "filler" and it is fine to be skipped. I thought Seinfeld was supposed to be the show about nothing, but my god the Sopranos spent an awful lot of time not developing the characters at all.

Also, how many fucking times did they get away with using a dream sequence to reveal something to the lead character?? It's lazy writing.

3/10 show. James Gandolfini gave a great performance, Tony Soprano was a boring character.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

There always has been and always will be dumb TV shows, it’s easy to be fooled by selection bias when reminiscing on “the good old days”.

There are definitely WAY more new shows being made, which increases the quantity of bad shows (and good shows!).

[–] oDDmON 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is it fair to say there’s a corollary?

The era of demanding and discriminating audiences is over.

Also, average IQs in the C suite have been plummeting for decades.

It’s no wonder we’re stuck with endless retreads and stories from other countries.

[–] TechNerdWizard42 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's not the CSuite that's a problem. The general populous is stupid. There's no way to sugar coat it. They don't keep up with current affairs, they don't have enough intrinsic knowledge of other subjects to allow for witty or satirical productions, or even just social commentary sitcoms. And if you make one line out of a series that offends one person somewhere, your show is cancelled, writers fired, etc...

It's easy to see where the problem is, and the audience doesn't want it. They want curated news and media that makes them happy and agreeable. Exactly what an algorithm in tiktok does.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

That's always been true though, and there's always been high quality 'prestige' TV.

[–] MotoAsh 4 points 5 months ago

Bullshit. You're using decisions made by those moronic CSuits to indicate that ... the CSuits aren't dumb?? You're literally using circular logic...

"they cancel all the complex stuff!", yea... because they're fucking stupid idiots playing to the lowest common denominator...

You're using their bad decisions as justification to say that they couldn't possibly be bad decisions because they're making those decisions... Literally circular logic.

[–] Kyle_The_G 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I call it "netflix syndrome" and see it creaping into basically everything, its so annoying. pointless romances, callback settups that don't pay off, saying the quiet part out loud/handholding the audience through the plot/losing the art of "show, don't tell", awful writing and casting, cringe-inducing diologue... I could go on all day, everyone's had a friend recommend one of these shows only you to find it unwatchable in the first 15 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

You just described the vast majority of movies at TV for the four decades I have been watching. Maybe people are just noticing it more now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What TV shows, may I ask, do you like?

[–] Kyle_The_G 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

succession, the first few seasons of the expanse, first few seasons of billions, I'm also a bit of a hipocrite I'll admit to enjoying money heist even though i'd consider it extremely "netflixy" at times. I'm not totally turned off by netflixy shows, they have their time and place when I want to turn my brain off and relax, but I'm usually more drawn to something a little more engaging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Black Sails, Counterpart, For All Mankind, Severance, Babylon Berlin, Warrior, Silo, Foundation, Revenant, House of the Dragons

[–] Kyle_The_G 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

seen severance (loved), silo was great, house of dragons was nice, for all mankind has been on my list for a while, probably my next show. Thanks for the list!

[–] SilverFlame 2 points 5 months ago

Season 4 of For All Mankind just had their season finale and it was fantastic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

He says this but Royal Crackers exists so 😐