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I don’t have my own instance or server, so I don’t know, but it would be interesting to know.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Since communities are viewable by anyone without an account, including search engine crawlers, this is the case by default. It is then up to search engines to crawl them and rank the appropriately.

A major problem right now is that search engines down rank massively pages with duplicate content, and that's the case with most Lemmy instances because of federation. If the fediverse ever becomes large enough to matter, they will maybe change that, but currently finding things on the fediverse is not exactly a good time.

Edit: kagi search (paid search engine) has recently announced a "search on the fediverse" feature. Neat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Duplicate content shouldn't be a problem as every post has a source URL. This is linked in the HTML head as the canonical URL. That way search engines know where something is from and that only that one is the true source.

[–] BradleyUffner 3 points 8 months ago

Except lots of people post the exact same thing to every community with a related name across many instances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, do they? Do the search engines do that? I don't know that they do. They could, but why spend the time making that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's standard HTML stuff available for decades.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Semantic html is largely ignored by search engines. If you're talking about the source tag, it does not syndicate, at least on Google.

If you're talking about iframes, Lemmy does not use them. The content appears as though your home instance hosts it (hence why images need to be moderated off-instance so badly).

[–] Rooki 8 points 8 months ago

Yeah, its a bit tricky and react is not supper SEO friendly. But occasionally google indexes some pages it can find. ( Or at least the front page )

[–] oxomoxo 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Kagi is a search engine that has built in Lemmy/Kbin search.

If you’re talking about mainstream search engines then no, they haven’t started supporting Fediverse content yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow, does it? I tried it a while back and it was amazing but i saw no mention of Lemmy? Can you boost the entirety of Lemmy the same way you can boost one website?

[–] oxomoxo 3 points 8 months ago

Yes, Kagi has a bunch of “Lenses” not just for Lemmy & Kbin but for all kinds of sources.

As of right now I’m not sure how you could SEO boost Lemmy. The federation makes it seem like a single post exists on many different sites.

With nearly a thousand Lemmy instances it’s as though someone cross posted to hundreds of websites which there would be no way to prioritize with the way current mainstream search engines work.

They just need to program a method for indexing Lemmy, and the rest of the ActivityPub compatible services, as a single entity. I am sure they will catch up eventually.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve gotten links to Lemmy posts on Google before?

[–] oxomoxo 5 points 8 months ago

I assume you’re phrasing this as a question to challenge what I said regarding main stream search engines.

It is possible to get a random hit on Lemmy, as instances are crawled like any other webpage. Just like you might get a Mastadon hit every once in a while. However they will not rank very high and almost always be buried a few pages in, while a Reddit post will rank much higher for the same search.

It’s the natured of how federation works and search engines don’t account for it. You can increase your chances by including a specific instance name or the word Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Other comments are good answers. I would like to add that search engines including google appear to be struggling to index the entire lemmyverse because we generate more content that they process. With time, the priority we are given will increase until search engines figure out lemmy is top-quality content

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

If you submit it to the engine it should crawl it.