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D4 Gameplay reviews? (self.diablo)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by half_built_pyramids to c/diablo

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Looking for any good reviews for how the builds and classes actually play.

For example, I've played mid 50s firewall and ice shards sorc. Ice shards felt like I was always waiting for frost nova. Even with ice shield sharing the load I'd always end up with a handful of stragglers or an elite with 30% life left and I'd be waiting on mana for weak raw shard casts.

Firewall felt better because the waiting for mana could be done while hydras worked and I kited around the death zone. Stacking up dps and working bosses into the ranges I wanted was also a challenge and fun. However, sorc seems like it's destined to be waiting on mana or cooldowns.

Now, I worked a hammer barb into the 40s and I'm having a lot more fun. I'm in control of choosing the right targets to keep death strike rolling and the rotation for arms master is a challenge that yields better results. I'm in more control of the game essentially. A boss can't just walk out of my 10-firewall nova setup. Barb is just more engaging for me because -- while barb sure have cooldowns -- gameplay isn't tied to them.

Alternatively, I leveled a druid to 15 and it felt like a good loop was there for bear pulverize. I got taken out of it because bear couldn't beat a boss. Wolf did in the next try, and I liked the teleport aspect of the werewolf swipe, but not that I couldn't control when it teleports.

What do you all think? Anyone aware of reviews that approach the game this way, instead of regurgitated build guides?

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[–] trankillity 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think that one of the most disappointing things about D4 is that it actively punishes you for wanting to try new things via high respec costs and gearing/aspect requirements. This is especially true at end game because there is no "Refund All" for paragon boards. Hence why (accurate) build guides are so important.

Another thing that makes theorycrafting difficult yourself is that due to all skills being %age based, it's much harder to plan out the math behind a build.

Finally, while it's relatively easy to try out different builds while you're leveling, the landscape of what is viable when you hit WT3/WT4 completely changes as Glyphs start generating more of your DPS/survivability than the skills in your previous build, which dramatically changes what your build may look like. This change at end-game is great for variety (leveling builds are different to end-game builds), but due to the aforementioned way that D4 punishes you for wanting to try new things, it makes it pretty difficult in WT4+ to play anything but the "meta" builds.

All that being said, the Dev update tomorrow mentioned that they'll be going over Season 1 details as well as a bunch of QoL changes that are upcoming. So my fingers are crossed for at least a "Refund all" for paragon boards, if not multiple "Spec"/Armory slots.

[–] dualistic 3 points 1 year ago

I think for the first two weeks I changed at least parts of my build every day. At level 100 this is much harder because you need more pieces if you want to go back and forth, but luckily my rogue build is so fun I am not wanting to change it.

Now I have rolled a barb alt and am once again just changing builds a lot, I don’t think the cost is that restrictive. At 90+ you can make ~500k per dungeon run. Which takes less than 10 mins.

[–] Chadsmo 3 points 1 year ago

I wanted to try a different build at lvl 60 on my Sorc. Even with just a little more than 1 paragon board done it was a pain , I can’t imagine all of them. Worst part is I refunded it all ( one at a time of course ) , then my skills , did up a new build and thought ‘meh I don’t have the gear’. Then I had to redo my old build again.

I would love to be able to save builds but it sounds like blizzard doesn’t agree ( at least at this point ).

[–] MassKirbycide 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whirlwind Barb has been fun (trying to maximize spin uptime while unloading tons of damage), but optimizing it and maximizing the fun is way too dependent on a ring drop that I have yet to find (Bold Chieftan).

[–] justsomeguy 3 points 1 year ago

I'm in the same boat. Went through so many goddamn rings already but it just won't drop.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The best place for this type of content was, sadly, the Diablo4 subreddit. Something is also on YouTube but you'd have to dredge through hundreds of clickbait cringe videos to find anything worthwhile.

I think it's hard to find "professional" reviews discussing gameplay/classes in depth because the game leaves almost no room for experimentation and people just gravitate towards the meta builds. As an ice shard sorc main I'd love to form my own opinion on fire or lightning builds as well, but at level 60 it already seems like too much of a hassle to respec everything just to try something out.

They should either address the severe balance issues between supposedly viable builds or at least give players the tools to figure the alternatives out for themselves through experimenting.

[–] saucyloggins 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started sorcerer and beat the campaign. I felt fairly good but constantly felt like something was off. I think a melee ranged sorc is really cool but it should be an edge case. It felt bad because I went into it picking sorc to do the opposite. And all the net builds are just all 3 defense skills with a different core skill.

I started Rogue soon after and the builds felt infinitely more dynamic. Imbuement melee or ranged. Traps? It’s just so much better.

[–] smnk 4 points 1 year ago

can only agree with Sorc, this class still needs a hell of a lot work to be truly fun

[–] ronniethicclegs 3 points 1 year ago

I’ve taken my Druid through to WT3 and ran into the same issue with bear a couple of times. I’ve respecced to a companion/tornado build now however and everything except Nightmare Dungeons is a cakewalk. It’s a nice mix of powerful cooldowns and spamming storm strike/tornado.