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Iran arms Hezbollah ahead of wider conflict with Israel (www.ynetnews.com)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Stamau123 to c/world

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Advanced weapons include precise missiles, surface to air missiles and air defenses transported mostly via Damascus airport which has come under repeated strikes attributed to Israel

As the U.S. was supplying Israel with military aid, so is Iran delivering weapons to its regional allies, in transports through the Damascus airport mostly, while other weapons transports arrive through other locations.

The frequent strikes on Syria in recent days, attributed to Israel, were for the most part intended to thwart such transfers from Iran, that were meant to increase the number of precise missiles, anti-tank missiles and air defenses including the Iranian made surface to air 358 missiles also called SA-67) that can intercept drones, planes low flying aircraft and missiles, available to Hezbollah.

Iran had already supplied its Lebanese proxy with a substantial stock of missiles which have been used by Hezbollah against Israeli drones recently but have thus far failed to shoot any down. Israel has been able to intercept the 358 missiles using its air defenses.

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[–] Bennettiquette 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

fuck hamas
fuck khamenei
fuck netanyahu

also fuck assad, for good measure.

with that out of the way, ynet and jpost consistently drop these alarmist takes and rarely back up their claims with sources. now, i don’t doubt the shipment itself, nor israel’s awareness of it. but i can’t find a single other source reporting on this specific alleged escalation into a wider conflict, just ynet. if i had to wager a guess? because iran is continuously investing in their satellite groups. primarily hezbollah, hamas and the houthies, but certainly others, too. arms, funding, training, likely logistics support as well. especially now.

idk, the whole article just reads like padding to diminish that small part about bombing the fuck out of a neighboring country, on one of the last functional airports in the country, causing more devastation to lives and spreading their vengeance-fueled rampage out as far as they possibly can.

[–] teamevil 14 points 11 months ago

Shhhhhh you're drowning out the propaganda....

[–] Doorbook -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Iran is biden legacy. He need to start a war otherwise he will never be remembered as president.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you’re just gonna entirely ignore the fact that relations were slowly moving in the right direction during the late Obama years and that Trump basically flipped the table and reset everything to being fully hostile?

[–] Stamau123 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I also don't think legacy chasing is really on the docket at this point, seems a history filled Presidency already

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tbh, wasn’t really trying to legacy chase; just pointing out that this particular failure isn’t reasonable to put entirely at Biden’s feet.

To be clear: I ended up being deeply disappointed in Obama on a lot of things, and am not trying to cheerlead. Also, I’m no fan of Biden, but he’s sure as shit better than Trump.

[–] Stamau123 3 points 11 months ago

Meant to reply to the other guy, but I agree

[–] Doorbook 0 points 11 months ago

Here is how it goes with US president.

One make it easy for Iran to build their nuclear power. The next butcher the deals - accelerate nuclear progress. The next says will, the last president fucked up but now we have to go to war.

It is the same cycle for many different things. The only people who benefit from this in the middle east are weapons manufacturers and Isreal.

Since Biden took office they been blaming Iran more frequently than usual which to me seems to indicate an attempt at justification for an attack.

[–] bighatchester 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Starting to feel like the whole middle East is going to be at war soon . I'm sure it's going to get even messier soon .

[–] lysol 10 points 11 months ago

More like the whole world. Damn, this is getting really scary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It definitely does not bode well, and the U.S. will definitely get dragged in at some point.

[–] wurzelgummidge 8 points 11 months ago

The US is stirring the pot

[–] Land_Strider 1 points 11 months ago

Get dragged? US is already dousing the fire with most flammable assets, and also stoking it as hard as it can by giving Israel blank checks in any use of US weapons, forcing a "they deserve it" narrative on Palestinian genocide and land grab, pressuring its western allies to turn a completely blind eye and just say "Hamas is the only bad guy here" so making them an uncompromising block.

It could have turned out to be a mass murder of Israeli civilians, a hostage situation the can be diplomatically defused, then appropriate repercussions, maybe the same old oppression going on in Gaza for decades, and actual targeting of Hamas leaders. Instead, we have your fucking oil industry governed military industry executed facade of a civilized country leading every situation to a bloodbath.

What US interest in the Middle East left anyway? Is it time for gobbling Iranian petrol yet? So the US oil lobby can continue its planet-fuckery emissions full speed?

[–] smooth_tea 0 points 11 months ago

The US reluctantly dragged into war.

By the brothers Grimm.

[–] nutsack 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

sounds like netanyahus plan is working perfectly

[–] Plopp 6 points 11 months ago

Yup, ensured reelection.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Seems like the root many of the problems in the middle east pretty much all lie with Iran, especially its murderous elders who donate weapons and train various paramilitary and terrorist organizations. Seems like a huge thorn in the side for that entire region.

[–] Linkerbaan 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Surely America didn't overthrow their previous moderate democratic government in favor of a religious group because the previous government didn't want to let them control all the oil supplies.

Operation Ajax

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, was the U.S.- and British-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of the shah,

Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP), to verify that AIOC was paying the contracted royalties to Iran, and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.

Upon the AIOC's refusal to cooperate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize Iran's oil industry

[–] hark 4 points 11 months ago

The real root problem is Israel. During the Iran-Iraq war, they helped out Iran while the US helped out Iraq so that they could maximize the number of deaths. The US then fought Iraq for the sake of Israel, twice. The US also destroyed Libya, Syria, Somalia, etc for the sake of Israel. Countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia think they're clever in that they could curry favor with Israel, but after the other countries are destroyed, these idiots are next. So yeah, the real problem is Israel, it's a cancer in the region and we're seeing the rapid expansion of their "lebensraum" plan right now, with the excuse of "self defense" which only idiots are still buying at this point.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Iran needs to stay the hell out of this. The more they're involved, the more Israel bombs their neighbors.

Lebanon was at relative peace until Hezbollah started stirring shit with Israel. Now I feel like it's going to hit the fan. And Lebanon really doesn't need this right now.

[+] Linkerbaan -11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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[+] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] Linkerbaan -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Iran sure wasn't doing hot a few months ago but right now America and israel are literal (not figurative) Nazis in their Jewish Ubermensch policy. Making Iran a far superior country in terms of human rights.

Being forced to put on a head scarf is far better than having your entire family blown up and buried beneath the rubble. This is objectively true as much as you don't want to admit it.

Once again the comparison to Hitler fits perfectly in every way. Did we lose many people by fighting against the Nazis? Should we thus not have done it because fighting bad?

The difference between us is that I realize the Americans aren't going to stop their Nazi campaign by asking nicely. And waiting for the ZioNazis to multiply and want to expand their Lebensraum even more sure as hell isn't going to lead to peace.

Absolutely nothing is going to improve if the Arabs don't fight for their right to exist. Israel has already stated that they just want to keep stealing land past Gaza and the West Bank. They want to colonize Lebanon (which they did before Hezbollah beat their Nazi ass out of there) and Jordan is of course nice and close while we're already there.

[+] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Linkerbaan -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I would be utterly ashamed to live in a Nazi state let alone pay taxes there and support Genocide.

Are you going to tell me Hitler was big on technology and industrialization, so Nazi Germany was a better place to live than Poland?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're completely bonkers to think Iran is superior. Israel might be acting like the Nazis, but the shit the middle East endured because of Iran is extremely bad.

You need to wake up my friend.

[–] Linkerbaan 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah bro a head scarf is way worse than mass murdering children.

It's time for you to wake up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Iran is murdering children for not wearing a head scarf...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Saying that you're oversimplifying would be an understatement.

[–] fastandcurious -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Missile and bombs are never the answer, that should be pretty clear, American politicians get some kind of orgasm by destabilizing and killing hundreds of thousands of people every so often, summon Netanyahu for war crimes and all other fucks that support him

[–] Why9 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Look I get it, and you're probably right, but this world doesn't work in that way.

The US just side-stepped Congress to approve an arms shipment to Israel for the second time this month. Missiles and bombs aren't the answer, but we have to remain consistent.

And what will summoning Netenyahu achieve? He'll go to prison laughing (assuming the US ever let it get that far!), knowing his successor will reap the rewards of an uninhabitable Gaza full of a resentful, broken population fated to become the next Hamas for us to condemn in a few years' time. Israel will win land and space for more illegal settlements that'll go unchallenged because the US will continue to veto any action against them.

I don't agree military action is the answer but in the middle of a war where one side is being heavily supported, it makes little sense why the other side wouldn't seek some extra power as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

If Iran gets involved, don't you think the US will sit idly by? You don't think anyone isn't going to declare war on each other and that it might create a larger conflict?

[–] fastandcurious -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I was all right with your comment until this:

broken population fated to become next hamas

Are you implying everyone there is future hamas?

[–] Why9 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you implying everyone there is future hamas?

No, and yes. If Hamas means resistance then sure. I don't see any Palestinians condemning Hamas because Hamas are literally brothers and sons and relatives of the survivors who have been born into oppression and have no option but to rebel or die.

Let's say you have a child, completely innocent, born into this world. Within a few years, he has survived multiple wars, seen violence and death dozens of times, and is already desensitised to mutilation and death by the time he's 7 years old. His family is dead, he's surviving on the good graces of strangers with no prospects for education and no moral compass in the form of parents to guide him on what's right and wrong.

By the time he's 17, he's being recruited into Hamas, who under a 70 year occupation, comprises people just like him, that want a free Palestine where children can be children and oppression isn't the norm. You're not going to reform him without removing his raison d'etre. Until there's Israeli oppression and no free Palestine, he's Hamas.

Do I agree with what Hamas did on October 7th? No. But in all forms of media and in history, people who are oppressed and free themselves from imprisonment and oppression are seen as heroes (if they're imprisoned unjustly, of course!), regardless of the number of people they kill in order to achieve their goals (like blowing up a Death Star, killing everyone on it).

The Star Wars' rebel alliance is an example. So is Katniss in Hunger Games or the Na'Vi in the Avatar movies. In my mind there's little difference between them. We don't condemn them as terrorists so why is Hamas different?

[–] fastandcurious -3 points 11 months ago

I am a Neanderthal when it comes to games so I don’t really understand the analogy, but I do feel like we are somewhat on the same page now, but I don’t really see hamas as a ‘hero’ sure you could argue that they are the byproduct of Israels brutality and want to free themselves, but I feel like killing/torturing even one innocent person is too many, I would be completely fine if they blew up the IDF.

Similarly I don’t think Palestinians don’t condemn hamas (although my guess is a lot of them do) because they are the good guys, but because they literally have no option and are too busy trying to save their lives than trying to dissect which side is wrong or right

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I hate to be the devil's advocate, but he's got a good point on that one. You don't think anyone is Gaza will ever try to get revenge for what Israel did?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Missile and bombs are never the answer

You're right, but if we can't hold the oppressors accountable why are we drawing the line at the oppressed responding?

[–] Linkerbaan 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Remind me how they stopped Hitler. Did they ask him nicely?

The ZioNazis will never stop their genocidal campaign with diplomacy that much is clear to anyone paying attention the last 80 years.

[–] Oderus -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hitler stopped himself lol.

[–] hark 7 points 11 months ago

With enough pressure, which, contrary to propaganda articles, the US is not applying any pressure at all on israel.