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Telegram founder and CEO alledges signal has backdoors, they don't provide reproduceible builds, etc. (lemm.ee)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Here's what he said in a post on his telegram channel:

🤫 A story shared by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, uncovered that the current leaders of Signal, an allegedly “secure” messaging app, are activists used by the US state department for regime change abroad 🥷

🥸 The US government spent $3M to build Signal’s encryption, and today the exact same encryption is implemented in WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages and even Skype. It looks almost as if big tech in the US is not allowed to build its own encryption protocols that would be independent of government interference 🐕‍🦺

🕵️‍♂️ An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. But whenever somebody raises doubt about their encryption, Signal’s typical response is “we are open source so anyone can verify that everything is all right”. That, however, is a trick 🤡

🕵️‍♂️ Unlike Telegram, Signal doesn’t allow researchers to make sure that their GitHub code is the same code that is used in the Signal app run on users’ iPhones. Signal refused to add reproducible builds for iOS, closing a GitHub request from the community. And WhatsApp doesn’t even publish the code of its apps, so all their talk about “privacy” is an even more obvious circus trick 💤

🛡 Telegram is the only massively popular messaging service that allows everyone to make sure that all of its apps indeed use the same open source code that is published on Github. For the past ten years, Telegram Secret Chats have remained the only popular method of communication that is verifiably private 💪

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I don’t know why Telegram users keep making excuses for that platform.

Honestly? Because the others are just so bad.

Element has an extremely clunky UX and uses Electron. The other Matrix app implementations are incomplete buggy messes.
Signal can't sync old messages to the desktop, uses a messy Electron interface, and lacks a bunch of features/polish I've come to expect.
Discord doesn't even pay lip service to privacy and uses a similarly doesn't invest in native apps.
Threema has been saying that cross-platform/multi-device connectivity is coming for like 2+ years and has had nothing but the most minor of unexciting features added.
WhatsApp is run by Meta, has a crappy desktop experience, and has had several serious security vulnerabilities.
Jami is ... extremely glitchy.
Session is basically Signal backed by a Crypto platform.

If someone took Telegram's UX and feature set and paired that with Signal's approach of "everything is encrypted", that would be a winner. I kinda hope someday Telegram just does that and moves everything to E2EE. When Telegram was launched E2EE for group chats/at scale wasn't really a thing ... now it's not nearly as novel but nobody has deployed E2EE with a feature set like Telegram's.

It’s not nothing if Telegram makes people believe they only share their location in a limited manner, but instead broadcast it to the whole world.

That's not even what happens by the way. It's just that you can spoof a device into random locations and eventually figure out where someone is.

[–] Tehdastehdas 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Telegram allows everyone in a chat to delete messages by anyone from anyone without a trace, making gaslighting easy.

"I told you so!" - "No you didn't!" - (mutual distrust forever)

[–] user 1 points 7 months ago

Skill issue. Get real friends who don't do this shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

If that's your bar for gaslighting I hate to tell you I can just edit my messages all over the place to say things that were never said.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean it’s pretty bad to practice mass surveillance.

https://mastodon.social/@alshafei/112413115927959085

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A "toot" isn't a very persuasive piece of journalism.

I can verify that it absolutely impacts groups run by queer communities in the Gulf, because I was in one such group that was monitored and shut down by Etidal.

That claim needs a lot more investigation and context. At the very least, it needs investigated by a credible third party.

Also, do you even know what the feature you're criticizing is? A "channel"? Because it's not even really a part of the messaging portion of Telegram. It's basically an in-app blogging platform.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

She links to a news article: https://www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/641746/SAUDI-ARABIA/Etidal-Telegram-remove-over-16-million-extremist-contents-in-early-2024

I don’t think Telegram denies doing mass surveillance. They might deny targeting queer groups and claim to only target extremist, whatever that means.