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Tesla on Thursday agreed to promote "core socialist values" with over a dozen Chinese car manufacturers who also vowed to do so, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tesla is incompatible with socialism. Also this usually just means the government wants the company to tow the party line.

You have to play by China’s rules if you want to do business there as a westerner. Apple does basically whatever the Chinese government asks for — as a result they’re the top selling phone in that country, even beating out Chinese made phones. For a country that’s been so nationalized and isolated that’s a huge deal.

[–] Running_Out_of_Ideas 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dengism is authoritarian crap, but at least that part has been consistent.

If you believe you need a massive amount of internal development to achieve socialism, and you believe Marx that the capitalist class cannot help but constantly revolutionize production, then letting corporations in on a leash, using them for development, and then eventually kicking them out is a pretty smart play. You slow down the capitalist world's desire to burn down any country with a red flag AND you get development.

Unfortunately, of course, what this leads to in practice is pushing hundreds of millions of citizens into sweatshops and building an unaccountable class of capitalists and corrupt, self-interested, state-approved union bosses. It leads to suppressing striking workers and college Marxist reading groups. In other words, a type of capitalism just as ruthless as private capitalism, but without even the very limited protections you see in a lot of capitalist republics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Dengism is pretty much just red corporatism, so Tesla does belong there.

[–] givesomefucks 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Tesla is incompatible with socialism

What does China have to do with socialism?

Do you think North Korea is a democracy too because their government's name is "Democratic Republic of North Korea"?

[–] VitoCorleone 6 points 1 year ago

In fact most countries with names starting with "Democratic" or "People's" are not democratic at all..a true democratic country does not need to advertise it in its name.

Same goes for human titles like "Honorable" for instance.

[–] Ibaudia 3 points 1 year ago

China is more socialist than the States, and it advertises itself as such too. They have to stick to that branding because it's popular.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol okay let me try again

“Tesla is incompatible with whatever the Chinese government thinks the Chinese government is.”

Do you feel better now?

[–] givesomefucks 4 points 1 year ago

No, because Musk has been saying for years that he envies China because of how they can treat their workers.

Musk and therefore Tesla aren't just compatible with China's leadership styles, Musk would love for them to be exactly the same.

[–] schroedingershat 13 points 1 year ago

Tesla is incompatible with socialism

So is the CCP so they're a pretty good match.