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[–] nifty -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

No there’s no need to posit cutesy sounding things, that’s how misinformation starts :) If you have any sources or can cite stuff you’ve read which may point to it, that’s cool though

[–] Buddahriffic 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, people are allowed to speculate and throw out ideas they have without needing some "expert" or paper to back up what they are saying. The mistake is treating such as if it's a fact. Sure, there's always going to be idiots out there that will take ideas like that and run with them, but I reject the idea that we should censor those speculations and random thoughts because idiots might believe them.

The real problem are the con artists who work those idiots up into a frenzy of fear and distrust by deliberately presenting shit they can't back up as a fact and threat to drive donations or sell snake oil to "protect" from it.

And I'd say even shit like what you said does more harm than good because it can drive those who enjoy harmless speculation but lack the confidence to push back towards the fringes because they think the mainstream wants to tell them how to think.

[–] nifty 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I agree that hypotheticals and thought experiments are fun, but I disagree that any random speculation is a good idea. Everything should have a kernel of originating known fact, or some reasonable foundation. You can’t do science without starting with some known facts, or stating your assumptions based on such facts.

Edit to say:

And I’d say even shit like what you said does more harm than good because it can drive those who enjoy harmless speculation but lack the confidence to push back towards the fringes because they think the mainstream wants to tell them how to think

Is this speculation harmless? I am not sure we can qualify that, so it’s wrong to assume that it’s harmless.

Anywho, anyone and everyone should be able to participate in a discussion! I just think it’s nice to ground hypotheticals with some kind of known or observed phenomena. The funny thing is that science validates itself, so maybe this person is accurately describing an unknown cognitive model.

To me, good conversation hygiene in science or related fields is rooted in observations 🤷

[–] Buddahriffic 2 points 7 months ago

I agree that science involves more rigor, but we're not doing science in here, it's just an online discussion forum. And OP qualified their comment with "I posit" and didn't present it like an established fact.